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Research Fellow at @BrookingsInst. China's tech & industrial policy: AI, chips, robotics, EVs, clean energy. Newsletter + podcast: https://t.co/D6k0b2dJgZ

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Here’s the part where Zhipu’s CEO talks about AI in 2027 reaching a potential dawn for AGI. Chinese and English transcript: Xiaojun: 包括大语言模型、图像模型和世界模型,需要把它们统一到一个更大的模型中,你认可他这个观点吗?他跟我们刚才说的是一个事对吧? Including large language models, image models, and world models, they need to be unified into a larger model. Do you agree with his view? This is the same thing we were just talking about, right? Zhang Peng: 其实说的是一件事情。就不同模态和你不同的任务,怎么把它真正找到一个统一的这个建模的方式,原生地把它融合到一起,而不是用系统化的方法。 It's actually talking about the same thing. For different modalities and different tasks, how to truly find a unified modeling method to natively integrate them together, rather than using a systemic approach. Xiaojun: 如果这个实现了会是AGI吗? If this is realized, will it be AGI? Zhang Peng: 我觉得AGI就看到曙光了应该。再加上刚才我说的那个在线学习,可能它就真的看到曙光。你可以想象这样嘛,首先第一,你造出来一个脑子,这个脑子呢,其实各种能力都有,语言能力、对图像的理解能力,然后对物理世界的这种判断能力、识别能力都有。然后再给它装上手脚,它能去叫世界模型去解决这个个问题嘛,它能去预测这个世界有发生什么事情,然后再跟世界进行交互。然后呢,交互的结果再反馈回来,变成一个强化的信号,然后我又立刻地、马上地接受这个强化学习的信号再学习,修改我的模型。这样闭环起来。那这样的话可能就是那个谁说的,Demis,对,你要选择让人工智能在什么范围什么什么时候开始授权,让它自己去探索这个世界。那个时候可能就近了。 I think we would see the dawn of AGI. Plus the online learning I just mentioned, maybe we would truly see the dawn. You can imagine it like this: first, you build a brain. This brain actually has all kinds of capabilities—language ability, image understanding ability, and the ability to judge and recognize the physical world. Then you equip it with hands and feet so it can call upon the world model to solve problems, predict what will happen in the world, and interact with the world. Then, the results of that interaction are fed back as a reinforcement signal. Then I immediately receive this reinforcement learning signal, learn again, and modify my model. This forms a closed loop. If that happens, it might be like what Demis said, yes, you have to choose in what scope and at what time to start authorizing artificial intelligence to explore the world on its own. At that point, it might be close. Xiaojun: 这你觉得还有多远啊? How far away do you think this is? Zhang Peng: 我其实也说不好有多远。好像我看了好几种说法。一个是说的,可能2027年要开始有这个能力,达到我刚才说的那个状态,然后剩下就是等待,看它自己去学,学到什么程度,能不能学到比如说超过人或者什么之类,接近人或者超过人。接近人和超过人其实就是我们说的基本上AGI的这个目标就到了嘛。那就2027年到现在还有两年时间,然后2027年之后,可能还需要花几年时间去调整这个效率啊或者是学习的这个成果怎么安全啊等等这些事情。可能我理性地判断这件事情可能需要比如说五年、八年这样的时间。 I can't really say for sure how far it is. I seem to have seen several different predictions. One says that maybe by 2027 it will start to have this capability, reaching the state I just described, and the rest is just waiting, letting it learn on its own to see to what extent it can learn—whether it can, for example, surpass humans or something similar, approach humans or surpass humans. Approaching and surpassing humans basically means the goal of AGI has been reached. So from now to 2027 is two years, and then after 2027, it might take a few more years to adjust efficiency, ensure the safety of what it has learned, and so on. My rational judgment is that this process might take, say, five or eight years. Xiaojun: 你们都会跟进吗?如果这个是AGI的正确方向? Will you follow this path? If this is the right direction for AGI? Zhang Peng: 一定会。我们永远不会忘记我们的目标就是AGI。 Absolutely. We will never forget that our goal is AGI.

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