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A Chinese developer just explained the shift from Loop Engineering to Graph Engineering better than anyone. most people are still building agents the way that's about to be obsolete. > why single-agent loops break and go "goal blind" > the 4 parts of a graph: nodes, edges, state, policy...

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Kirill1 month ago

Original link - My private telegram -

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0x201 month ago

Is this dev using AI to make him seem to speak english?

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Kirill1 month ago

No, bro, I used AI to translate his video to make it easier to understand, and I added subtitles.

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0x201 month ago

So yes then?

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Dezzy1 month ago

love how you broke this down kirill

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Kirill1 month ago

I just found a good video that explains it and shared it

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Martynas Jusevičius1 month ago

AI bros rediscovering RDF

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Blum1 month ago

the best part is that he explained everything in just 21 mins

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Kirill1 month ago

I agree, he managed to do it pretty quickly

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Jamon1 month ago

Unexpected @DavidKPiano reference

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Erhan Bağdemir1 month ago

Why every thought process has to be labeled with „Engineering“ ?

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the.PM1 month ago

>not doing AEP hyperlattice engineering >ngmi

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Chestuits1 month ago

goal blind loops miss the policy plus verifier path graphs add

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Kirill1 month ago

Bro, this is a great video, so I decided to share it and translate it into English

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Lilith Datura1 month ago

"The punchline: Success is not about running more agents. It comes from adding determinism—verifiers, code fallbacks, and “reality anchors” (hard, checkable evidence like tests or external data) so the probabilistic LLM parts stay grounded. Kirill’s post and follow-ups (including short reaction clips) treat the Chinese explanation as unusually clear and practical, which is why it resonated widely.Broader context. This sits in the mid-2026 wave of AI agent discourse. After Prompt → Context → Harness → Loop Engineering (think persistent single-agent cycles like Ralph loops), the community—sparked in part by comments from OpenClaw creator Peter Steinberger—shifted focus to graphs for multi-agent orchestration. A loop is essentially the simplest possible graph (one node with a self-edge). Graphs become useful once work needs to be specialized, parallelized, or handed off with clear state and verification."

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Python and Chess1 month ago

We are reinventing the workflows for creating software every 3 months. This is worse than the times where a new JavaScript framework was released every month.

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Astroheo1 month ago

Most agent systems are basically “run it again and hope it works” with extra steps.

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HOM AIMOS1 month ago

interesting now this has a term / label ?

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AI Mastery Guide1 month ago

Graph engineering is the real upgrade here

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Kirill1 month ago

I agree, it's worth looking into this topic now

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AI Mastery Guide1 month ago

Definitely worth exploring further

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Rick1 month ago

"Engineer" is a word that is used very lightly these days.

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Alisina1 month ago

Graph engineering is the real unlock deterministic workflows beat fragile loops every time

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SkyFoxx🛡️1 month ago

This tool uses graph engineering to build faster

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Farbod Mansorian1 month ago

The AI dubbing gets in the way of learning but I’ll power through the slop. Thanks bro 😎

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nim1 month ago

@grok summarise into 2 sentences

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daniel1 month ago

Welcome to 2023

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Ngumbahkucing1 month ago

switch to graph engineering now

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Kirill1 month ago

I'm also looking into all the possible ways to use it right now, which is why I wrote an article about it

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Kairo1 month ago

Deterministik sistem gerçekten daha iyi mi Yoksa sadece hataları daha öngörülebilir mi

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Kirill1 month ago

Everyone draws their own conclusions on this matter. You can't be 100 percent sure.

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Kairo1 month ago

Kesinlik değil, doğru soruyu bulmak önemli

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Empathy Ethicist1 month ago

My work touches agentic W workflow forensics so I get this absolutely...we have to be prepared for stop conditions and having evidence for every traversed edge

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Junior Love1 month ago

Damn I really am falling hook line in sinker for this video, audio and mouth movement in sync ai video. Y'all are good

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B1 month ago

Thank you for sharing this vid and dubbing the English so well as to make it understandable. Where can we find more videos from “Darfay”? I tried google searching “Best Partners” and Darfay Chinese engineer to find more content from him with no success.

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Irvin Freeman1 month ago

@grok summarize this so I can teach my AI

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devnullg1 month ago

Graph vs loop framing clicks for me - I hit that "goal blind" wall running long agent loops without realizing it was structural, not a prompting problem. Curious how you handle state when a node needs context from three steps back, not just the last one?

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Dipanshu Kushwaha1 month ago

This is a great explanation! Definitely makes you rethink how agents are built. Thanks for shari

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Ejaz Karim1 month ago

Nice one. I think as the video says we have just shifted the perspective and i personally was doing this for quite long now.

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Emil B. M.1 month ago

It's so funny seeing these terms be (re)invented on a quarterly basis, and every time the previous iteration "just didn't cut it", where they used to say "I run my business like this, it is fully autonomous!" The cynic in me would say it's almost like the term *is* the product.

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Khaled Risk Taker1 month ago

Strategy games taught me graph thinking beats loop guesswork. State, policy, then execution. Deterministic graphs with verifiers and fallbacks are the only systems I trust for deploying capital.

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Coffee Time Engineering1 month ago

For clarification, when the speaker says "context", it can refer to two different things. Sometimes it's the background details of a specific situation (typical context) and other times it could mean the working scratch memory for chat nodes. e.g. "The context was corrupted".

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Astro 🏴1 month ago

Old news.

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AllinPocket1 month ago

Does this works well on mobile

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