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A Chinese developer just explained the shift from Loop Engineering to Graph Engineering better than anyone. most people are still building agents the way that's about to be obsolete. > why single-agent loops break and go "goal blind" > the 4 parts of a graph: nodes, edges, state, policy...

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Фото профиля Kirill
Kirill1 месяц назад

Original link - My private telegram -

Фото профиля 0x20
0x201 месяц назад

Is this dev using AI to make him seem to speak english?

Фото профиля Kirill
Kirill1 месяц назад

No, bro, I used AI to translate his video to make it easier to understand, and I added subtitles.

Фото профиля 0x20
0x201 месяц назад

So yes then?

Фото профиля Dezzy
Dezzy1 месяц назад

love how you broke this down kirill

Фото профиля Kirill
Kirill1 месяц назад

I just found a good video that explains it and shared it

Фото профиля Martynas Jusevičius
Martynas Jusevičius1 месяц назад

AI bros rediscovering RDF

Фото профиля Blum
Blum1 месяц назад

the best part is that he explained everything in just 21 mins

Фото профиля Kirill
Kirill1 месяц назад

I agree, he managed to do it pretty quickly

Фото профиля Jamon
Jamon1 месяц назад

Unexpected @DavidKPiano reference

Фото профиля Erhan Bağdemir
Erhan Bağdemir1 месяц назад

Why every thought process has to be labeled with „Engineering“ ?

Фото профиля the.PM
the.PM1 месяц назад

>not doing AEP hyperlattice engineering >ngmi

Фото профиля Chestuits
Chestuits1 месяц назад

goal blind loops miss the policy plus verifier path graphs add

Фото профиля Kirill
Kirill1 месяц назад

Bro, this is a great video, so I decided to share it and translate it into English

Фото профиля Lilith Datura
Lilith Datura1 месяц назад

"The punchline: Success is not about running more agents. It comes from adding determinism—verifiers, code fallbacks, and “reality anchors” (hard, checkable evidence like tests or external data) so the probabilistic LLM parts stay grounded. Kirill’s post and follow-ups (including short reaction clips) treat the Chinese explanation as unusually clear and practical, which is why it resonated widely.Broader context. This sits in the mid-2026 wave of AI agent discourse. After Prompt → Context → Harness → Loop Engineering (think persistent single-agent cycles like Ralph loops), the community—sparked in part by comments from OpenClaw creator Peter Steinberger—shifted focus to graphs for multi-agent orchestration. A loop is essentially the simplest possible graph (one node with a self-edge). Graphs become useful once work needs to be specialized, parallelized, or handed off with clear state and verification."

Фото профиля Python and Chess
Python and Chess1 месяц назад

We are reinventing the workflows for creating software every 3 months. This is worse than the times where a new JavaScript framework was released every month.

Фото профиля Astroheo
Astroheo1 месяц назад

Most agent systems are basically “run it again and hope it works” with extra steps.

Фото профиля HOM AIMOS
HOM AIMOS1 месяц назад

interesting now this has a term / label ?

Фото профиля AI Mastery Guide
AI Mastery Guide1 месяц назад

Graph engineering is the real upgrade here

Фото профиля Kirill
Kirill1 месяц назад

I agree, it's worth looking into this topic now

Фото профиля AI Mastery Guide
AI Mastery Guide1 месяц назад

Definitely worth exploring further

Фото профиля Rick
Rick1 месяц назад

"Engineer" is a word that is used very lightly these days.

Фото профиля Alisina
Alisina1 месяц назад

Graph engineering is the real unlock deterministic workflows beat fragile loops every time

Фото профиля SkyFoxx🛡️
SkyFoxx🛡️1 месяц назад

This tool uses graph engineering to build faster

Фото профиля Farbod Mansorian
Farbod Mansorian1 месяц назад

The AI dubbing gets in the way of learning but I’ll power through the slop. Thanks bro 😎

Фото профиля nim
nim1 месяц назад

@grok summarise into 2 sentences

Фото профиля daniel
daniel1 месяц назад

Welcome to 2023

Фото профиля Ngumbahkucing
Ngumbahkucing1 месяц назад

switch to graph engineering now

Фото профиля Kirill
Kirill1 месяц назад

I'm also looking into all the possible ways to use it right now, which is why I wrote an article about it

Фото профиля Kairo
Kairo1 месяц назад

Deterministik sistem gerçekten daha iyi mi Yoksa sadece hataları daha öngörülebilir mi

Фото профиля Kirill
Kirill1 месяц назад

Everyone draws their own conclusions on this matter. You can't be 100 percent sure.

Фото профиля Kairo
Kairo1 месяц назад

Kesinlik değil, doğru soruyu bulmak önemli

Фото профиля Empathy Ethicist
Empathy Ethicist1 месяц назад

My work touches agentic W workflow forensics so I get this absolutely...we have to be prepared for stop conditions and having evidence for every traversed edge

Фото профиля Junior Love
Junior Love1 месяц назад

Damn I really am falling hook line in sinker for this video, audio and mouth movement in sync ai video. Y'all are good

Фото профиля B
B1 месяц назад

Thank you for sharing this vid and dubbing the English so well as to make it understandable. Where can we find more videos from “Darfay”? I tried google searching “Best Partners” and Darfay Chinese engineer to find more content from him with no success.

Фото профиля Irvin Freeman
Irvin Freeman1 месяц назад

@grok summarize this so I can teach my AI

Фото профиля devnullg
devnullg1 месяц назад

Graph vs loop framing clicks for me - I hit that "goal blind" wall running long agent loops without realizing it was structural, not a prompting problem. Curious how you handle state when a node needs context from three steps back, not just the last one?

Фото профиля Dipanshu Kushwaha
Dipanshu Kushwaha1 месяц назад

This is a great explanation! Definitely makes you rethink how agents are built. Thanks for shari

Фото профиля Ejaz Karim
Ejaz Karim1 месяц назад

Nice one. I think as the video says we have just shifted the perspective and i personally was doing this for quite long now.

Фото профиля Emil B. M.
Emil B. M.1 месяц назад

It's so funny seeing these terms be (re)invented on a quarterly basis, and every time the previous iteration "just didn't cut it", where they used to say "I run my business like this, it is fully autonomous!" The cynic in me would say it's almost like the term *is* the product.

Фото профиля Khaled Risk Taker
Khaled Risk Taker1 месяц назад

Strategy games taught me graph thinking beats loop guesswork. State, policy, then execution. Deterministic graphs with verifiers and fallbacks are the only systems I trust for deploying capital.

Фото профиля Coffee Time Engineering
Coffee Time Engineering1 месяц назад

For clarification, when the speaker says "context", it can refer to two different things. Sometimes it's the background details of a specific situation (typical context) and other times it could mean the working scratch memory for chat nodes. e.g. "The context was corrupted".

Фото профиля Astro 🏴
Astro 🏴1 месяц назад

Old news.

Фото профиля AllinPocket
AllinPocket1 месяц назад

Does this works well on mobile

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