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A Chinese developer just explained the shift from Loop Engineering to Graph Engineering better than anyone. most people are still building agents the way that's about to be obsolete. > why single-agent loops break and go "goal blind" > the 4 parts of a graph: nodes, edges, state, policy...

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Kirill 的头像
Kirill1 个月前

Original link - My private telegram -

0x20 的头像
0x201 个月前

Is this dev using AI to make him seem to speak english?

Kirill 的头像
Kirill1 个月前

No, bro, I used AI to translate his video to make it easier to understand, and I added subtitles.

0x20 的头像
0x201 个月前

So yes then?

Dezzy 的头像
Dezzy1 个月前

love how you broke this down kirill

Kirill 的头像
Kirill1 个月前

I just found a good video that explains it and shared it

Martynas Jusevičius 的头像
Martynas Jusevičius1 个月前

AI bros rediscovering RDF

Blum 的头像
Blum1 个月前

the best part is that he explained everything in just 21 mins

Kirill 的头像
Kirill1 个月前

I agree, he managed to do it pretty quickly

Jamon 的头像
Jamon1 个月前

Unexpected @DavidKPiano reference

Erhan Bağdemir 的头像
Erhan Bağdemir1 个月前

Why every thought process has to be labeled with „Engineering“ ?

the.PM 的头像
the.PM1 个月前

>not doing AEP hyperlattice engineering >ngmi

Chestuits 的头像
Chestuits1 个月前

goal blind loops miss the policy plus verifier path graphs add

Kirill 的头像
Kirill1 个月前

Bro, this is a great video, so I decided to share it and translate it into English

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Lilith Datura1 个月前

"The punchline: Success is not about running more agents. It comes from adding determinism—verifiers, code fallbacks, and “reality anchors” (hard, checkable evidence like tests or external data) so the probabilistic LLM parts stay grounded. Kirill’s post and follow-ups (including short reaction clips) treat the Chinese explanation as unusually clear and practical, which is why it resonated widely.Broader context. This sits in the mid-2026 wave of AI agent discourse. After Prompt → Context → Harness → Loop Engineering (think persistent single-agent cycles like Ralph loops), the community—sparked in part by comments from OpenClaw creator Peter Steinberger—shifted focus to graphs for multi-agent orchestration. A loop is essentially the simplest possible graph (one node with a self-edge). Graphs become useful once work needs to be specialized, parallelized, or handed off with clear state and verification."

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Python and Chess1 个月前

We are reinventing the workflows for creating software every 3 months. This is worse than the times where a new JavaScript framework was released every month.

Astroheo 的头像
Astroheo1 个月前

Most agent systems are basically “run it again and hope it works” with extra steps.

HOM AIMOS 的头像
HOM AIMOS1 个月前

interesting now this has a term / label ?

AI Mastery Guide 的头像
AI Mastery Guide1 个月前

Graph engineering is the real upgrade here

Kirill 的头像
Kirill1 个月前

I agree, it's worth looking into this topic now

AI Mastery Guide 的头像
AI Mastery Guide1 个月前

Definitely worth exploring further

Rick 的头像
Rick1 个月前

"Engineer" is a word that is used very lightly these days.

Alisina 的头像
Alisina1 个月前

Graph engineering is the real unlock deterministic workflows beat fragile loops every time

SkyFoxx🛡️ 的头像
SkyFoxx🛡️1 个月前

This tool uses graph engineering to build faster

Farbod Mansorian 的头像
Farbod Mansorian1 个月前

The AI dubbing gets in the way of learning but I’ll power through the slop. Thanks bro 😎

nim 的头像
nim1 个月前

@grok summarise into 2 sentences

daniel 的头像
daniel1 个月前

Welcome to 2023

Ngumbahkucing 的头像
Ngumbahkucing1 个月前

switch to graph engineering now

Kirill 的头像
Kirill1 个月前

I'm also looking into all the possible ways to use it right now, which is why I wrote an article about it

Kairo 的头像
Kairo1 个月前

Deterministik sistem gerçekten daha iyi mi Yoksa sadece hataları daha öngörülebilir mi

Kirill 的头像
Kirill1 个月前

Everyone draws their own conclusions on this matter. You can't be 100 percent sure.

Kairo 的头像
Kairo1 个月前

Kesinlik değil, doğru soruyu bulmak önemli

Empathy Ethicist 的头像
Empathy Ethicist1 个月前

My work touches agentic W workflow forensics so I get this absolutely...we have to be prepared for stop conditions and having evidence for every traversed edge

Junior Love 的头像
Junior Love1 个月前

Damn I really am falling hook line in sinker for this video, audio and mouth movement in sync ai video. Y'all are good

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B1 个月前

Thank you for sharing this vid and dubbing the English so well as to make it understandable. Where can we find more videos from “Darfay”? I tried google searching “Best Partners” and Darfay Chinese engineer to find more content from him with no success.

Irvin Freeman 的头像
Irvin Freeman1 个月前

@grok summarize this so I can teach my AI

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devnullg1 个月前

Graph vs loop framing clicks for me - I hit that "goal blind" wall running long agent loops without realizing it was structural, not a prompting problem. Curious how you handle state when a node needs context from three steps back, not just the last one?

Dipanshu Kushwaha 的头像
Dipanshu Kushwaha1 个月前

This is a great explanation! Definitely makes you rethink how agents are built. Thanks for shari

Ejaz Karim 的头像
Ejaz Karim1 个月前

Nice one. I think as the video says we have just shifted the perspective and i personally was doing this for quite long now.

Emil B. M. 的头像
Emil B. M.1 个月前

It's so funny seeing these terms be (re)invented on a quarterly basis, and every time the previous iteration "just didn't cut it", where they used to say "I run my business like this, it is fully autonomous!" The cynic in me would say it's almost like the term *is* the product.

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Khaled Risk Taker1 个月前

Strategy games taught me graph thinking beats loop guesswork. State, policy, then execution. Deterministic graphs with verifiers and fallbacks are the only systems I trust for deploying capital.

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Coffee Time Engineering1 个月前

For clarification, when the speaker says "context", it can refer to two different things. Sometimes it's the background details of a specific situation (typical context) and other times it could mean the working scratch memory for chat nodes. e.g. "The context was corrupted".

Astro 🏴 的头像
Astro 🏴1 个月前

Old news.

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AllinPocket1 个月前

Does this works well on mobile

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