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After this interview, Jane Street hired this Quant analyst at $220,000–$600,000/year In 21 minutes, you’ll learn what a Tier 1 hedge fund interview is like Here are some of the questions they ask: 1. You have $100, fair coin. Heads - you get 2x your bet back, tails -...

1,347,375 görüntüleme • 5 ay önce •via X (Twitter)

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Sickist profil fotoğrafı
Sickist5 ay önce

retarded, bets it all every time, loses on flip 4, went bust. This is a Kelly Criterion problem. no wonder they resorted to fraud if they are hiring these retards

Victor profil fotoğrafı
Victor5 ay önce

Dumb. 100 flips is virtually guaranteed to get a loss, meaning betting 100% 100 times is virtually guaranteed to get you to bankrupt.

. profil fotoğrafı
.5 ay önce

He would be fired after his answers for question 1. His answer was betting 100% of bankroll and hoping to win 100 coin flips in a row lol

Chrysk profil fotoğrafı
Chrysk5 ay önce

Yea this is terrible response lol what if you lose it all on the first flip? I’d bet $2 and double down every time I lose. At 50/50 odds and 2x the upside vs downside, you’ll come out ahead over course of 100 flips

Leo Larin profil fotoğrafı
Leo Larin5 ay önce

Just bet a cent each flip and buy booze with the rest. Best possible outcome.

beef supreme profil fotoğrafı
beef supreme5 ay önce

You are guaranteed to go broke if you bet 100% of your bankroll on a 50/50 proposition for 100 trials.

Kamikaze Cash profil fotoğrafı
Kamikaze Cash5 ay önce

Was the first question “heads you double your bet, tails you lose it all?” It sounds like he heard the question as “heads you win double your bet.” So he’s thinking a $100 bet returns $300 (winning $200, which is double your bet). If that’s the case, he’s right.

Stealth Chief Investment Officer profil fotoğrafı
Stealth Chief Investment Officer5 ay önce

So he has 0.00000000000000000000007% chance of winning like 10^50 dollars? What an awful answer

real profil fotoğrafı
real5 ay önce

Expected value is zero Nigga think he bill hwang

Matt ☯︎陰龍🐉 profil fotoğrafı
Matt ☯︎陰龍🐉5 ay önce

Kelly criteria nerdsnipe

hardesttack profil fotoğrafı
hardesttack5 ay önce

so the odds of not going bust are astronomically small

DonaldTrumpFan42069 profil fotoğrafı
DonaldTrumpFan420695 ay önce

Bruh lol. This is embarrassing. 25% bankroll each flip from deriving the kelly formula and solving for the variable to maximize expected log wealth per flip.

brandon profil fotoğrafı
brandon5 ay önce

I say no coin flips, and put the coin in my pocket. Now, I have $100.25. Boom.

. profil fotoğrafı
.5 ay önce

Nope their interviews are like 7 rounds of way more complex problems than this, plus this answer is correct for 1 iteration, not 100. For that it’s prob Kelly fraction, [2(.05)-.05]/2 = 25% of bankroll… maximizing EV while minimizing chances of losing it all.

Thoughts profil fotoğrafı
Thoughts5 ay önce

Interesting satire

Trader Itcha profil fotoğrafı
Trader Itcha5 ay önce

They are not accounting for trailing draw down, nor risk of ruin. Bad answer in terms of risk management. To be fair, it is a junior/starting position (or so I hope).

Mixed Messages profil fotoğrafı
Mixed Messages5 ay önce

What is my win-condition for #1? Is my goal $10,000 or $1 million or $100 million? All in is correct from a pure EV standpoint, but that comes with excessive volatility.

claudeshannon profil fotoğrafı
claudeshannon5 ay önce

This is just the Kelly Criterion

purpledirp profil fotoğrafı
purpledirp5 ay önce

Today I learned the Kelly formula. You bet on a coin flip: heads pays 3x your bet, tails you lose it. To max long-term growth, we max: 0.5 ln(1+2f) + 0.5 ln(1-f). (log because it reflects compounding) Set the derivative to zero, solve, you get f = 25%. Bet 25% of bankroll

s19c3 profil fotoğrafı
s19c35 ay önce

Not watching the whole vid so maybe he corrects himself later on, but pretty sure it's not optimal to bet all your money (Q2/Q3). Even though betting all your money maximizes your EV for that given single play, if you lose, you're losing the opportunity to play more future positive EV rolls.

Jonesy profil fotoğrafı
Jonesy5 ay önce

Fuck yeah boys I was gonna guess , if it’s 50/50 go all in but I would tier down the risk as I increased wins and get initial back depending how many more times I would bet.

Han Ooi profil fotoğrafı
Han Ooi5 ay önce

Expected value is 1.0. 2x0.5+0x0.5= 1.0 So this is bet converge on neutral. No memory nor dependencies between flips Bet $1 per flip. No adjustment of strategy since there is no dependency.

sqrzeb profil fotoğrafı
sqrzeb5 ay önce

Deport them both

Bobby K profil fotoğrafı
Bobby K5 ay önce

I would just bet $1 100 times expecting to lose $50, but winning 50 times at 2 x’s original bet plus getting money back So I bet all 100 lose half and get other half back +100 bucks so in total I walk away with $150 which is basically a 50% return (plus or -5% or so)

Dr Shalomstein ✡️ profil fotoğrafı
Dr Shalomstein ✡️5 ay önce

Any Polymarket trader could do this problem in 5 minutes 😂

Hyper High 🇵🇸 profil fotoğrafı
Hyper High 🇵🇸5 ay önce

I don’t get it If you bet 100% every time, you either triple or you go to 0. But going to 0 is certain. Someone explain please!

Robert Lee profil fotoğrafı
Robert Lee5 ay önce

Anyone that says to bet 100% should never be hired, ever. U will go bankrupt eventually,, as there will be “runs” of heads or tails going multiple times in a row,,,,too much of a sample size, 100, to avoid the probabilities of a bad run of luck….. bet 10% to bet,

leakingalpha.eth profil fotoğrafı
leakingalpha.eth5 ay önce

He answered wrong lmao

Sam 🇺🇸 profil fotoğrafı
Sam 🇺🇸5 ay önce

@Grok can do all these calculations for (what's the X premium cost?) $80 per year? These fucking jobs are finally cooked. Time is running out. Better milk those employers until they figure it out.

Llewellyn Jones profil fotoğrafı
Llewellyn Jones5 ay önce

Almost like they are teaching you “yes bet everything all the time”

Ninshim profil fotoğrafı
Ninshim5 ay önce

You bet 0. On embauche un quant pas un joueur.

Sunshine profil fotoğrafı
Sunshine5 ay önce

No , bet 100% only if you chance of winning is greater than 50% in this case .

Anubis profil fotoğrafı
Anubis5 ay önce

Wrong. Optimal bet for 100 flips is 25%, where you have a win factor of 2.0 and loss of 1.0. Idiots.

squeaky and cheese profil fotoğrafı
squeaky and cheese5 ay önce

You bet 25% of your pot.

Agustín profil fotoğrafı
Agustín5 ay önce

Is this a joke? Betting 100% on each flip guarantees a bust over 100 flips. There is a 1 in 1.26~ nonillion chance of coming out of that strategy with any money at all. Optimal bet has to be something like 2/3 but I honestly don’t know enough math to figure the real value

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