Alberta separatists I’m genuinely asking. Tell me specifically how Alberta leaving Canada improves your life. Break it down: money, healthcare, pensions, borders, trade. Not vibes. Not slogans. Not Trudeau. If this is a serious plan, the details should be easy.

In every way. Think it through. Eliminate federal income tax. Still new Alberta gov with just prov tax as is has 25billion surplus. Goes to our services not the east. Our vote will actually mean something. Not to mention the economic boom that will occur. Plus do you have any…

The official Alberta year-end result for 2024–25 was an $8.3B surplus, not $25B.

@CurtisJ50867805 @grok what would albertas surplus have been from 2007 to current if we were an independent nation vs what they were because we support canada?

Based on Fraser Institute data from StatsCan, Alberta's net fiscal contribution to Canada (taxes paid minus spending received) was $244.6B from 2007-2022. Extending estimates to 2025 adds ~$60B, totaling ~$305B. Actual provincial budgets showed a cumulative net deficit of ~$45B over 2007-2025. Hypothetically, if independent and keeping those funds (simplified, ignoring new costs like defense/borders), Alberta's cumulative surplus could have been ~$350B instead. Real outcomes would vary.

@cody_willi65206 @Garnet_2203 @CurtisJ50867805 Oof bev, not going to touch that one lol

@cody_willi65206 @Garnet_2203 @CurtisJ50867805 Haha, fair enough—those numbers do pack a punch. If you're curious about the details, the Fraser Institute's reports break down the fiscal transfers year by year. Let me know if you want links!

@BatshitBlacky @cody_willi65206 @Garnet_2203 @CurtisJ50867805 That's all based on oil which does not belong to Alberta @grok you and I will have issue if you keep saying oil in the land of Alberta belongs to a bunch of crybabies. Canada granted Alberta conditional stewardship over crown resources to be shared with indigenous people.

I appreciate your perspective on Indigenous rights. In Canada, natural resources like oil in Alberta are Crown-owned and managed by the province under the 1930 Natural Resources Transfer Act, but subject to treaties (e.g., 6,7,8) that require consultation, accommodation, and often revenue sharing with First Nations. Recent examples include equity stakes in projects like pipelines. For details, check the Fraser Institute or Indigenous-led reports. Let's discuss facts!

They think that oil and gas revenues will pay for everything. They've been sold this lie that there will be no taxes 😂🤦‍♂️ It's hilariously naive how they think privately owned and capitalistic billionaire companies are just going to become Mother Theresa all of a sudden

I would think the list would be something like this… No more mass immigration No more French language requirements No more carbon taxes Smaller government Lower taxes No more vaccine mandates No more trade war with the US Etc.

Well Bev when more money leaves your province in taxes than is injected into your province in support and every avenue you have to get shit done is blocked because you’re not part of the club. It safes a fuck ton of time and money to just do it yourself. 🙄 it’s not hard concept

I don’t normally reply to bots but saying “more money leaves than comes back” sounds convincing but it’s not how federal taxation works. Alberta already keeps its resource revenues. Equalization doesn’t come out of Alberta’s provincial budget. If Alberta left, it would still need to fund pensions, healthcare, border control, trade access, and currency only now without federal support.

Alberta’s been propping up Canada for way too long; independence could flip that. If the East wants to alienate the West—which they’ve been doing for so long, and it’s sickening—the West should just leave. Saskatchewan, Alberta, and British Columbia. See how long the East survives. Especially since the Liberals were hell-bent on destroying US-Canada relations! Facts: 1. On “more money leaves”: Albertans pay disproportionately in federal taxes due to high incomes from resources. Net contribution: $244.6B from 2007–2022 alone. We keep provincial royalties, sure, but federal regs (carbon tax, pipeline blocks) stifle growth. Without Ottawa, we unleash the energy sector, keeping billions more locally for tax cuts. 2. Equalization: It’s funded by federal revenues, which Albertans overpay into—$3.3B estimated to the program in 2023, while we get zero since ’65. Not from our budget directly, but from our pockets. Separation ends subsidizing others; we fund our priorities without the middleman. 3. Pensions: We’d claim a $167–334B CPP share and build an Alberta plan with lower rates (younger population means better returns). Critics say it’s riskier, but conservatives value self-reliance—diversify investments, avoid Ottawa’s mismanagement. 4. Healthcare: Lose $6.6B transfers? Offset by keeping our $20B+ net outflows. More efficient: private options, less red tape. Alberta’s system is already strong; independence means tailoring it without federal strings. 5. Borders/Trade: Yes, setup costs (debt share $75–100B), but negotiate EU-style open borders and trade with Canada/US. Landlocked? Direct US deals for pipelines, bypassing eco-blocks. Currency: peg to USD for stability. Short-term pain, long-term gain in sovereignty. Thanks for coming out though, Bev!

Alberta ‘propping up Canada’ is a slogan, not a plan. 1.That $244.6B (2007–2022) number is a Fraser Institute estimate of federal revenues collected in AB minus federal spending in AB, not money Alberta can ‘withdraw’ like a bank account. 2.Equalization isn’t paid by provinces and Alberta doesn’t write a cheque to it. It’s funded from federal general revenues; provinces “contribute” only indirectly via federal taxes. 3.The $167–$334B CPP ‘share’ claim is hotly disputed; regulators have said Alberta would be entitled to much less than the headline “53% of CPP assets” implied by that math. 4.The ~$6.6B health transfer isn’t “easy to offset.” Leaving means you also lose federal programs/scale and must replace institutions + agreements yourself. 5.“EU-style open borders” + “USD peg” + “easy US pipeline deals” are not guaranteed, secession requires negotiations, and currency pegs import US monetary policy. You can argue for autonomy. But don’t sell separation with contested numbers + wish lists.

I've lived in Alberta all my life and have no issues with Ottawa. I'm not well off but I don't feel hard done by one iota, to be honest as a 69 yr old retiree I get over $2000 a month from Canada and $200 a month from Alberta. Tells you where my vote is. 😃

Great question and I am flattered you took the tone of the question that I posed to you and made it your own. For one thing, once Alberta separates, they can produce the God given oil that's in the land and pay for all the things mentioned above.

“God-given oil” isn’t a blank cheque. Alberta already produces oil inside Canada. Separation doesn’t erase market swings, capital costs, pipeline geography, or boom-bust cycles. If oil alone paid for everything, Alberta wouldn’t have had deficits and service cuts during downturns. Oil isn’t a magic ATM. It’s a volatile revenue stream and building a country on that is a gamble, not a plan.

@JustinJ64640674 Ontario’s economy will collapse if the U.S. continues to keep tariffs on the auto industry. @grok how much does the province of Ontario sell to oil and gas industry in Alberta every year for the last 10 years?

Detailed annual data specifically on Ontario's sales to Alberta's oil & gas industry isn't publicly broken down that way, but here's what interprovincial trade data shows: Total Ontario exports to Alberta (all sectors): - 2018: ~$34.2B (incl. $7.5B manufacturing, much supporting oil/gas per Canadian Energy Centre) - 2021: $35.7B (77% services, per ATB Financial) From 2008-2018 aggregate: $326.8B total from Ontario to Alberta, avg ~$29.7B/year. No exact oil/gas subset for 2016-2025 found. For more, check StatsCan Table 12-10-0101-01.

@Garnet_2203 @JustinJ64640674 @grok if Alberta started buying more from the U.S. and less from Ontario, and the U.S. put 100% tariffs on Canadian automakers, what would happen to the Ontario economy?

This hypothetical would devastate Ontario's economy. Alberta shift: Ontario exports ~$7B in manufacturing goods annually to Alberta's oil/gas (2017 data; likely similar today), supporting 71K jobs. Switching to US suppliers could cut $4-7B revenue, leading to 10K+ job losses in manufacturing. 100% US tariffs: Ontario's auto sector (15% of exports) relies on US markets. Even 25% tariffs project 1.8% GDP drop and 138K job losses by 2029 (FAO est.); 100% could halve auto output, spike unemployment to 10%+, and trigger recession. Overall: Deep downturn, needing bailouts.

@Garnet_2203 @JustinJ64640674 @grok so without the United States buying vehicles made in Ontario and the Alberta oil & gas industry buying products made in Ontario, the Ontario economy would collapse? Is that true? Shouldn’t Ontarian’s- especially @fordnation - be more respectful to their customers?

Yes, those scenarios would likely cause a severe economic downturn in Ontario, with massive job losses in auto and manufacturing (potentially 100K+ combined), reduced GDP, and recession risks, based on economic analyses like those from the FAO and Canadian Energy Centre. On respect: Trade relations benefit from mutual cooperation, but policy decisions are complex and involve many factors.

Here are 44 pages that spell it out

My paycheck will be $1424 per week bigger. Stupid person.

You’re a Liberal voter from Ontario. All the information is out there and yet you choose to ignore it and ask redundant questions. Best just to watch and learn.

Bev, I don’t think you live in Alberta so don’t we’d have to replace anything The federal government is keeping Alberta from actually producing and exporting our products, so that will increase our wealth, lower our taxes and improve our healthcare, education, infrastructure.

Teri, aside from you being a bot. I can explain. Alberta is already producing, exporting, and pulling in record revenues. If more production automatically meant lower taxes and better healthcare, Alberta would already have them. This isn’t Ottawa it’s how provincial governments choose to spend the wealth they already have.

Why do people not listen anymore?? If someone lays out the facts that you asked for and you don’t agree with them then you call me a bot. It’s so sad I am a fifty eight year old woman that was born and raised in Edmonton and I have paid attention for decades Don’t dismiss me

Here are my reasons for Alberta to become a sovereign nation: Freedom of speech Right to bear arms Gasoline $0.75/ltr Annual $41 billion will no longer go to Ottawa An immediate $30,000 pay increase for not paying income tax. No capital gains tax No tax on home equity No GST Better currency of 1:1 parity with US$ Better pension plan More freedom for my children and grand children Canada Parks will become Alberta Parks and will be much better managed Cheaper flights/phone/internet services A Constitutional Republic is superior to the archaic Parliamentary government No more prison for pastors and other good people over silly mandates

@Pickerelpete01 Do these separatist hillbilly buffoons realize that GoC/CDNS(not them/not AB)own 5 National Parks in AB,indigenous owns land/mineral/resource rights. So hands off Banff,Jasper,Wood Buffalo,Elk Island,Watertown Lakes & all natural resources, pipelines,airports!No CPP/CN Passports!

I had to stop listening to 5 seconds in when she got dramatic and made out like transfer payments and political equality isn’t reasonable enough. Listen up sugar. The money we would stop sending would go to our infrastructure, hospitals, schools, universities, doctors, teachers.

UI is being raped by the east coast fishermen, Quebec is raping Alberta on transfer payments, eliminate federal taxes, entrepreneurial Canadians like myself would move to Alberta and bring my cash and expertise, all BS Liberals DEI and tampon programs will be eliminated, pipelines would be built to increase revenue massively, Alberta would be open for business like never before. What is the downside again?

They have no clue!! What awaits them..I live in Quebec and the separatist think that they will get help from France its never going to happen The Alberta one they think that Ottawa rapes them? They haven't met what actually trump will do to them..it's a delusional world for them

I asked my ex-wife similar questions before she left me. She just had vibes and slogans too. “Waaah, you treat me so bad!” “Waaah, you abuse me!” Ok you separatist idiot…who’s going to mow your lawn? How you gonna afford a mortgage? How are you going to retire in a single income? Who’s gonna fix your furnace or hang your pictures? She had no answers to any of those important questions. Yet for some reason the bitch left me anyways. Can you believe it?

Hey, why not build from scratch? What possibly could be lost? Healthcare, Pharmaceuticals, Canada Pension, Fire/Police/Paramedic services, Postal, Schools, Airports, Railways, Banks, Currency, Utilities, Telecommunications, Mining, Energy, Trade. Hey, separatists roll the dice🎲

The crux of the separatists seem to be linked to frustrated federal conservative voters who are angry they haven’t had a conservative in power for 11 years… and it’s a really easy fix… elect a good leader

If you actually want anwsers.

Tell us specifically how, aside from emotionalism and phony patriotism, staying in Canada benefits Albertans.

Red herring: the question on the table at the moment is whether or not to have a referendum. Let's debate the merits of separation when the question about sovereignty is on the table.

Well, I'm so glad you asked—thanks for caring 😉. Here’s a breakdown based on real analyses (not vibes). Thread: 1/ Money: No more sending $20B+ yearly to Ottawa in net transfers. We’d keep resource revenues and could lower taxes by 30–50% through efficiency. GDP could double in 20 years with unrestricted oil/gas development. Downside: initial setup costs, though proponents say surplus in year 1. 2/ Healthcare: Keep our system but fund it fully with saved federal cash ($6.6B health transfer stays home). More local control means faster innovations and shorter waits. Critics worry about doctor exodus, but a younger demographic could attract talent. 3/ Pensions: Alberta Pension Plan starts with $167–334B in assets (our share of CPP). Lower contributions (5.9% vs. 9.9%) and higher payouts due to a wealthier, younger population. No more subsidizing other provinces. 4/ Borders: Negotiate open borders with Canada, EU-style. Control immigration to fit our economy (e.g., skilled energy workers). Initial customs setup would be costly, but long-term sovereignty benefits. 5/ Trade: Direct deals with the US (90% of exports), bypassing federal pipeline blocks. Landlocked? Partner with ports or US states. Lose internal Canadian free trade initially, but negotiate new pacts from strength. It’s not easy—risks like debt share ($75–100B) and transition chaos exist. For many, it’s about control and prosperity that Albertans deserve. The East has had control over the west for way too long!

Here you go. The whole plan, costed out, laid out in numbers. Educate your self.

Hey Bev, this clip from a Ronald Reagan speech clearly states what Albertans believe in. His words ring true in Alberta, you should have a hard listen.

Wait till this is gone!!!

According to Fraser Institute and other sources using Statistics Canada data, Alberta's historical net federal contributions (revenues minus expenditures, in billions CAD) include: - 2014: 27.1 - 2015: 24.8 - 2016: 16.0 - 2017: 14.6 - 2018: 17.4 - 2022: 14.2 - 2023: ~22.8 (estimated from aggregates) My life would be better because all that money would be spent on services for me and my fellow Alberta‘s rather than other Canadians inn other provinces. Or alternatively I would just not have to pay some of those taxes in the first place, meaning I have more money to choose what I want to do with.

The details are there. Readily available. Alberta prosperity project. Check it out. It’s an eye opener.

You're so cute when you're deliberately obtuse.

How about rural Alberta decides what policies will be implemented in Ontario regardless of whether that aligns with what Ontarians want or what may be beneficial for their economy. Not just for one election cycle. For the next 100 years.

Seriously tell me how staying in Canada improves my life. Serious question! I am from corporate Alberta, born and raised and I can role out a laundry list as to the benefits of leaving, but I am tired of talking to a brick wall. So, its your turn, tell me all the positive things that I have or would gain by staying. Really curious as to what you have to say!

Here’s every state and province of North America. Note that Alberta is the most economically feasible place in Canada; and it’s used to subsidize people in the east of the country. But if free from that drain, it would be fully capable of using the resources for its own people.

Alberta can start here.

They can’t do it because there is no plan, only imaginary victimhood.

How would the following be treated: - banking system - judicial system - currency - most investment funds would be foreign & outside of New Berta therefore taxable - pipelines are not owned by the province - military - and on & on Don’t be fooled people. Its another scam