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Another devastating and profound moment from Douthat’s Interesting Times:

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Moog Rogue2 months ago

“What do you mean?” perfectly captured both her limits of imagination and her soullessness.

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Burna475922 months ago

The most soulless “what do you mean” I’ve ever heard

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Sebas天2 months ago

it sounds like he's trying to bring the Spenglerian argument that: “When the ordinary thought of a highly cultivated people begins to regard 'having children' as a question of pro's and con's, the great turning-point has come.”

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Wolf.Guy2 months ago

It seems profound but really its emotive slop. There's no substance behind this other than a vague Burkean conception that "this is how procreation is therefore thats how it should be." Vibes aren't a substantial argument.

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keenye2 months ago

I think of this exchange like once a week lol

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colin2 months ago

The meaning attributed to the scene is created by the author’s mind, not inherent in the method of birthing a child.

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DOWE2 months ago

He’s so good. We are lucky to have him

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Mechanical Mind2 months ago

Doesn't seem to me that parents would be losing something poem-worthy if they have a child by IVF. Surely the existence and behavior of the child are the relevant parts. The child would still be there in the bed anyway.

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Gun Emoji Evolution2 months ago

The poem’s world the destruction of which Ross is pre-lamenting is itself a sterile technological construct, in the good old days there would have been no child’s footsteps in the hall cuz the whole family would’ve been sleeping together on the floor of the one room mud hut

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Dmitriy Mandel aka Schnitzel 🐈2 months ago

"What do you mean?" "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it"

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frc2 months ago

Man i love this guy

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G. Sheppard2 months ago

Here's the video: Interesting Times with Ross Douthat. 8/7/2025. "Silicon Valley Wants to Optimize Your Children's Genes." Featuring Noor Siddiqui, CEO & founder of Orchid Health. .

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Clive Davidson2 months ago

@pegobry_en She is the embodiment of the film Gattaca, where society looks down on and derides “love children” in favour of genetically selected offspring.

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Workhouse Overseer 🌐🥑🍌2 months ago

There's millions of people born of IVF alive today and I imagine their parents love them just as much as any other parents love their children

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Fedesco2 months ago

Where's her response though?

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DoctorBrydon2 months ago

Look in her eyes. She has no fucking understanding of what he's talking about.

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🥥🌴2 months ago

Pretty weak tbh

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Daniel Wortel-London2 months ago

We have more power at our disposal today than we have ever had, and yet we are more alienated and estranged from the inner ground of meaning and of love than we have ever been. - Thomas Merton

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Sebastian Mellen2 months ago

................."what do you mean".............-_-?

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Mountain Marmee2 months ago

In case anyone’s wondering: her answer to this (and to all questions about ethics throughout the interview) was a complete dodge. It is only worth hearing to confirm the fact that she sees the moral & societal ramifications of her technology to be beneath consideration.

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AntifaAlgaeScientist2 months ago

Yeah let’s deny families choice by stopping a technological advancement because it’s more romantic to have a baby through regular boning. Whatever man.

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james2 months ago

@pegobry_en her insane smile while he speaks is just crazy… get this woman away from any power and influence

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Amy Mantravadi2 months ago

Ah, yes. Orchid. The people who let you avoid having a special needs child, supposedly. Which is another way to say, eradicate all special needs people on the front end.

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Aaron Stannard2 months ago

one of the few remaining taboos in Silicon Valley is asking actually profound questions - only performative ones are sanctioned

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Kaushal Kashyap Ⓥ2 months ago

What was her response? We ned to stop thinking in binary terms. Both can be the option for parents. Its their choice.

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Caleb Hughes2 months ago

It was a devastating moment from the perspective of people who agree with Ross, but as Matthew Anderson wrote (and persuaded me of!), probably not a moment that had a chance of persuading her

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Caleb Wait2 months ago

As if often the case, Matt is more prescient and understanding and knowledgeable about this. And from my replies, his point only stands.

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EmberDays2 months ago

Her uncomfortable grin says it all. What fkn weirdo.

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Cardinal2 months ago

If people genuinely value natural conception enough they'll opt for that instead of IVF; the way to find out what people really value more is to let them choose.

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tater tot2 months ago

Noor is the greatest and you guys will never be on her level in any way whatsoever

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JAW2 months ago

moral autism of "what do you mean?"

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Craig Willy2 months ago

It was interesting. What was devastating and profound in your view?

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Nolan Pine2 months ago

How did she respond?

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Kenneth Kitchin2 months ago

These people have gotten so rich of Silicon Valley money that they’ve lost all sight of what it means to be a human

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Amy2 months ago

The vacuous, vapid grin says it all.

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Alex Hunt 🏹2 months ago

I forgot how funny this moment was lol