Apparently you can’t get jacked without taking test these days

There’s guys on here that can’t even get jacked running a bunch of gear lol

@KyleMatheson8 Gear won't do jack shit if you can't train properly or eat like an asshole haha

I would disagree here, respectfully, Francis. TRT isn’t just about gaining muscle. Hormone regulation can (and did for me) fix mood, drive, libido, etc etc etc… I was working HARD in the gym for about 18months, making near zero progress in strength and physique changes. Wife even said, and this is one of the things that drove me to get test levels checked, for all the time you spend working out, why don’t you look like you work out? That changed when I got on TRT. Posted about this today actually.

That’s perfectly fine to agree to disagree on certain things man. No issue at all on my end Great work by the way, happy you’ve changed things around 🫡

Thank you Francis. Love your content man!

Appreciate the support Mike! Hopefully see you back in the space on Monday 🤝

squats and deadlift for yeaaaars is the answer

Building that base

If you have the test levels of a 70 year old… I don’t care how hard you’re working out or how strict your dieting is. Nobody is going to keep spinning their wheels when you’re obviously stuck. Mentality is the greatest destroyer of plans, I don’t know anyone who goes to the gym for a 1hr workout 5-6 days a week to only expect little to no progress. TRT and taking test isn’t just about get swole, it about being optimized. Giving yourself the best chance for success inside and outside of the gym. When you’re seeing those results in the gym you’re going to make sure your macros and hydration are on point, that you’re training intensely and progressively. Your theory is only feasible for 15 year olds that just walked into the gym. (I agree with that, kids/teens don’t need to touch gear) What about the 40 year old that works 60+ hours a week, has 2 kids, and a business to run? How is that guy suppose to workout 1 hour a day, 5-6 times a week for 15 years to only glimpse at his natural potential (when he’s 55)? (I’ll wait)

You’ve just said it yourself. “When you’re seeing those results in the gym you’re going to make sure your macros and hydration are on point, that you’re training intensely and progressively” Why haven’t you made the effort to nail macros, hydration, training in the first place? Nobody needs to jump to TRT to fix some fundamentals up front. (At least try) that’s my WHOLE point.

@FowardAssist If you are hypogonadal it’s a different ball game. It was clear to me from what Francis said he wasn’t making that point. For me he was talking about new lifters right out and onto enhancement . Not medicinal TRT.

@FowardAssist Exactly mate

@BenjaminYeezus @FowardAssist Also to add to the convo

@BenjaminYeezus @FowardAssist Very interesting

"Hard work sucks and not everyone is cut out for it"

Very true

Good post brother

Thank you Zach! 🤝

On pointe. Good old fashioned hard work is the way.

Sadly, pro level 'natural' bodybuilders are not natural. But, you will get to keep all the muscle you have earned naturally, it takes longer, but it lasts forever!

That is complete nonsense Check WNBF worlds last weekend…strict doping controls

Ask yourself 2 things. 1- how many of them are lifelong drug free athletes, and 2- how many come off a water based or oral peds a couple of months before? You present as naive.

It’s quite surprising how many average looking men is on steroids. As a new guy in the gym you wouldn’t even guess and develop false views on the achievability of physiques like that. And it’s possible naturally. It just takes 5-10 years, not 1.5 as the average looking fake natties describe.

Forget test, you got chest implants kid.

Ignore the noise brother. If the flak is getting heavy then you are over the target.

You know it

Preach brother!

You know it bro!

You're telling a lot of truth. And some of the pushback and negative reaction is an aversion to some honest facts. it's really important to have these discussions.

Truth hurts man. But you’re right, these honest conversations need to be had for the greater good!

Preach.

James Smith we see you

Who

Spot on

Because they aren’t in their late 50s like some of us…

Training age matters more than chronological age in terms of ability to build muscle anyway

Science lesson, junior: • Testosterone drops 1–2% per year after 30–40 • By 50 you’re down 20–40% from your 20s • Low T = muscle loss, fat gain, shit libido, depression risk ↑, cardiovascular risk ↑, all-cause mortality ↑ • TRT just puts you back in the 500–900 ng/dL range you had at 25 • Huberman, Attia, Fruge, every serious longevity doc agrees: optimizing testosterone in aging men is one of the highest-ROI

If you want to raise your T levels you gotta squat and deadlift…. I’m pushing 70 and my last two T tests were 795 & 745… Never touched any type of PED’s ever

Testosterone levels are way low in the male population.

I do not agree, sorry. I'm on this path and I reached my maximum. Soooo yeah....

Most beginners are just a bunch of fucking lazy people who’d do nothing to get close to their genetic potential except blame everyone and hop on juice. Get your work boots on kiddo.

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Jacked is a different term to everyone. Anyone can get fit imo. To classify as jacked, you gotta be that 250 to 300 range Peeled imo. Not many on the plant can achieve that.

your arms make me feel good mate

We have to strongly discourage roids

What's your rate

After my triathlon training. I'm tempted to get tested and publicly post natural testosterone results before, during, and after bulking. Then post natural testosterone results during powerlifting and bodybuilding.