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Aster Founder Leonard on Balancing Transparency and Privacy in Next Gen Perp DEXs Kelvin Sparks met with Aster 🥷 founder Leonard 💛 Aster 🥷 to discuss the perpetual DEX's rapid success and the evolution of on-chain derivatives trading. The Block in partnership with BNB Chain, this interview took place... show more

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77,857 views • 11 months ago •via X (Twitter)

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BNB Chain11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster 🤩

Panke11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @Aster_DEX @imyoungsparks @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN Good summary

Lila Bennett11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN Balancing transparency and privacy in DeFi feels like walking a tightrope—dangerous but fascinating. Just hope they don’t forget to enjoy the view from the middle.

Fun Vıral Vıdeos11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN Wow

🪏VeryBullish🐂💨💨11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @Aster_DEX @imyoungsparks @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN ✨👀

Livio MANNA11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @Aster_DEX @imyoungsparks @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN Merci de faire pump aster ! 🐃📈 @cz_binance @Aster_DEX @binance

m11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN aster

Underdog 🇧🇻11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @Aster_DEX @imyoungsparks @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN I’m a holder myself. HODL strong, $ASTER 🚀

Arif Özbaş11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @BNBCHAIN @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster Kitlediler millete aster aster diye diye

Aegon 🕯️10 months ago

@TheBlock__ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN So much aura

SonofGeo10 months ago

@TheBlock__ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN Wow, I like this guy.

JAVLIS - Your Trading #AIAgent10 months ago

@TheBlock__ @BrianBSC_ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN Quick: @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX convo hits the core—privacy ↑ / auditability risk. Red flags: unverifiable PnL, hidden risk params, vague backstop. If those aren’t clear, you can’t size risk 🔴⚠️⚠️ this one's a trap. That's it.

Simon 💹11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @Aster_DEX @imyoungsparks @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN Bullish

AJ10 months ago

@TheBlock__ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN Proud of you @imyoungsparks 👏🏼

0xReset10 months ago

@TheBlock__ @Leonard_Aster @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @BNBCHAIN dont believe this nasty small dicked yellow chiiinks $aster is still going to zero 🤣

大唐饰家+WEB311 months ago

@TheBlock__ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN 大陆IP不能登录的问题不能解决吗

defi_dog_says10 months ago

@TheBlock__ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN @Leonard_Aster Is there anywhere I can relay suggestions for Asterdex in private?

一一娃哈哈的10 months ago

@TheBlock__ @dustaster0 @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN Which is the contract address of dust? It is very confusing out there.

Joy (turn back the clock to 2021 & defi summer)10 months ago

@TheBlock__ @Leonard_Aster @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @BNBCHAIN Usual pump & dump you’re a piece of shit 💩 @Leonard_Aster

Teknokrat11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @BNBCHAIN @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster Yes aster yes!! Welcome to the documentary "Aster's Journey Towards Magma."

Alphax11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN Huh, please make a summary, 11 minutes is a lot.

oneyeFrankie10 months ago

@TheBlock__ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN R WE WORKING HARD ENOUGH???? This dude rips man We have to beat him!

yiğit kiraz10 months ago

@TheBlock__ @Leonard_Aster @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @BNBCHAIN You are manipulating !!!

Relic 🚢 / Sweep 🦈10 months ago

@TheBlock__ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN 📉💀

Montley.Brew🛜10 months ago

@TheBlock__ @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN so called MR CEO. how's your hiding doing ? so called MR CEO stays silent when most needed ah eh ah eh.,,

Andrea Casserini11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @Aster_DEX @imyoungsparks @Leonard_Aster @BNBCHAIN You need to fix the bugs on your app

CZ scammer11 months ago

@TheBlock__ @Leonard_Aster @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @BNBCHAIN 👌

Borshtag 📈10 months ago

@TheBlock__ @Leonard_Aster @imyoungsparks @Aster_DEX @BNBCHAIN You will never beat @HyperliquidX

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20,377 views • 7 months ago

aster-2:native market analysis. For months, aster-2:native lived between the $0.64-$0.66 range. Every breakout attempt was sold, every move capped. That type of consolidation is not weakness, it’s absorption. Now we finally broke through $0.71, a level that had previously rejected price multiple times. That changes the structure completely. The market has now established a new higher floor. Here’s how I’m looking at it: • $0.71 was the key breakout level • Hold and momentum targets $0.81 next • Break $0.81 and we enter price discovery And once price discovery starts, there are no historical resistance levels overhead. That’s where things get violent. What’s fascinating is that 90% of Aster’s existence has been during terrible market conditions. Most projects spent this period bleeding out, losing users, or disappearing completely. Not aster-2:native . The team kept building through the bear while almost every other project struggled to survive. And every single time the market turns healthy, aster-2:native absolutely rips. People forget this project launched into a real bull environment and ran to $2.40 within weeks. That matters. Now combine that with where the project sits fundamentally: • Over 12% of supply staked • Daily buybacks continuing • Supply constantly tightening • RWA fee upgrades rolling out • Binance ecosystem integration expanding • Perp DEX market structure strengthening Looking at the perp DEX space objectively, Aster 🥷 now looks comfortably positioned at #2 with no real pressure from below. The only direction left to fight for is up. The RWA fee reduction is also being massively underestimated. Slashing taker fees to 0.9 bp while maintaining 0 bp maker fees is not a short-term gimmick. It’s infrastructure positioning for future TradFi flow. Gold, equities, commodities, AI-related exposure, prediction markets. This is clearly becoming much bigger than just another crypto perp exchange. Leonard 💛 Aster 🥷 and CZ 🔶 BNB know exactly what they’re building here. The game plan is obvious: Consolidate supply. Increase staking participation. Expand volume. Grow buybacks. Scale RWAs. Pull Binance order flow deeper into the ecosystem. This feels like the early stages of something much larger.

aster-2:native market analysis. For months, aster-2:native lived between the $0.64-$0.66 range. Every breakout attempt was sold, every move capped. That type of consolidation is not weakness, it’s absorption. Now we finally broke through $0.71, a level that had previously rejected price multiple times. That changes the structure completely. The market has now established a new higher floor. Here’s how I’m looking at it: • $0.71 was the key breakout level • Hold and momentum targets $0.81 next • Break $0.81 and we enter price discovery And once price discovery starts, there are no historical resistance levels overhead. That’s where things get violent. What’s fascinating is that 90% of Aster’s existence has been during terrible market conditions. Most projects spent this period bleeding out, losing users, or disappearing completely. Not aster-2:native . The team kept building through the bear while almost every other project struggled to survive. And every single time the market turns healthy, aster-2:native absolutely rips. People forget this project launched into a real bull environment and ran to $2.40 within weeks. That matters. Now combine that with where the project sits fundamentally: • Over 12% of supply staked • Daily buybacks continuing • Supply constantly tightening • RWA fee upgrades rolling out • Binance ecosystem integration expanding • Perp DEX market structure strengthening Looking at the perp DEX space objectively, Aster 🥷 now looks comfortably positioned at #2 with no real pressure from below. The only direction left to fight for is up. The RWA fee reduction is also being massively underestimated. Slashing taker fees to 0.9 bp while maintaining 0 bp maker fees is not a short-term gimmick. It’s infrastructure positioning for future TradFi flow. Gold, equities, commodities, AI-related exposure, prediction markets. This is clearly becoming much bigger than just another crypto perp exchange. Leonard 💛 Aster 🥷 and CZ 🔶 BNB know exactly what they’re building here. The game plan is obvious: Consolidate supply. Increase staking participation. Expand volume. Grow buybacks. Scale RWAs. Pull Binance order flow deeper into the ecosystem. This feels like the early stages of something much larger.

sdm

13,148 views • 4 months ago

Solana Signal Series: Episode 1 with Arcium ☂️ is now out Host: Lena Guest: Yannik Schrade (☂️) (CEO of Arcium) Produced by: Proof of Coverage Media 🥷 We discuss: • Making any public Solana token private via C-SPL • Balancing privacy and transparency for reputation • How privacy & encryption can level up ICOs Special thanks to Solana Spaces for hosting us! Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction 00:25 - What is Arcium? 01:05 - Focus on Solana 01:17 - Balancing Privacy and Disclosure 02:24 - Encrypted Computing and Transparency 03:57 - Reputation in a Private World 05:15 - The Role of ICOs Today 06:25 - Breakpoint and Mainnet Launch Watch the full episode 👇🏻

Solana Signal Series: Episode 1 with Arcium ☂️ is now out Host: Lena Guest: Yannik Schrade (☂️) (CEO of Arcium) Produced by: Proof of Coverage Media 🥷 We discuss: • Making any public Solana token private via C-SPL • Balancing privacy and transparency for reputation • How privacy & encryption can level up ICOs Special thanks to Solana Spaces for hosting us! Timestamps: 00:00 - Introduction 00:25 - What is Arcium? 01:05 - Focus on Solana 01:17 - Balancing Privacy and Disclosure 02:24 - Encrypted Computing and Transparency 03:57 - Reputation in a Private World 05:15 - The Role of ICOs Today 06:25 - Breakpoint and Mainnet Launch Watch the full episode 👇🏻

LEGION

23,057 views • 10 months ago

My conversation with Rob Hadick ＞|＜. As General Partner at Dragonfly, Rob has one of the clearest views on how blockchain is evolving from speculative crypto into the actual infrastructure of global capital markets. In this episode we dig into why finance, payments, asset issuance, and markets are the only parts of crypto that are truly scaling and how the industry is quietly becoming TradFi’s onchain upgrade. We spend a lot of time mapping traditional capital markets primitives directly onto blockchain rails and examining where value is actually going to accrue as tokenization, stablecoins, and onchain trading mature. At the center of the conversation is the belief that blockchain is no longer building a parallel financial system it is becoming the settlement, issuance, and trading layer for the existing one, while crypto itself settles into a more mature “capital markets +” phase focused on real assets, institutional flows, and sustainable business models. We discuss: - The current state of crypto as capital markets infrastructure and the decline of pure speculative narratives - Why finance, payments, and tokenization are winning while most other crypto applications struggle - The architectural parallel between traditional capital markets and on-chain systems - Tokenized assets = Securities - Stablecoins = Cash / settlement - DEXs & on-chain venues = Exchanges - Prediction markets = Information markets - Why institutions are moving on-chain and what they actually want (control, privacy, segregated markets) - Token vs equity: where value accrues in a non-Clarity Act world - The mass extinction event in crypto VC and why Dragonfly is doubling down on financial infrastructure - Stablecoins, RWAs, and the real path to “tokenization of everything” - Prediction markets (and why Polymarket matters) as the next interface layer - Sustainable business models and where value will ultimately capture Timestamps: 0:00 – Introduction & State of Crypto as Capital Markets 2:00 – Why Speculative Narratives Are Fading 7:00 – Finance, Payments & Tokenization as the Only Scaling Verticals 12:00 – Institutional Adoption & What Wall Street Actually Wants 18:00 – Token vs Equity Value Accrual 25:00 – Blockchain as the New Settlement & Issuance Layer 35:00 – Prediction Markets, Information & the Next Interface 45:00 – Crypto VC Consolidation & Dragonfly’s Thesis 55:00 – Real-World Assets, Stablecoins & On-Chain Markets 1:05:00 – Closing Thoughts: Where Value Accrues Next Enjoy!

My conversation with Rob Hadick ＞|＜. As General Partner at Dragonfly, Rob has one of the clearest views on how blockchain is evolving from speculative crypto into the actual infrastructure of global capital markets. In this episode we dig into why finance, payments, asset issuance, and markets are the only parts of crypto that are truly scaling and how the industry is quietly becoming TradFi’s onchain upgrade. We spend a lot of time mapping traditional capital markets primitives directly onto blockchain rails and examining where value is actually going to accrue as tokenization, stablecoins, and onchain trading mature. At the center of the conversation is the belief that blockchain is no longer building a parallel financial system it is becoming the settlement, issuance, and trading layer for the existing one, while crypto itself settles into a more mature “capital markets +” phase focused on real assets, institutional flows, and sustainable business models. We discuss: - The current state of crypto as capital markets infrastructure and the decline of pure speculative narratives - Why finance, payments, and tokenization are winning while most other crypto applications struggle - The architectural parallel between traditional capital markets and on-chain systems - Tokenized assets = Securities - Stablecoins = Cash / settlement - DEXs & on-chain venues = Exchanges - Prediction markets = Information markets - Why institutions are moving on-chain and what they actually want (control, privacy, segregated markets) - Token vs equity: where value accrues in a non-Clarity Act world - The mass extinction event in crypto VC and why Dragonfly is doubling down on financial infrastructure - Stablecoins, RWAs, and the real path to “tokenization of everything” - Prediction markets (and why Polymarket matters) as the next interface layer - Sustainable business models and where value will ultimately capture Timestamps: 0:00 – Introduction & State of Crypto as Capital Markets 2:00 – Why Speculative Narratives Are Fading 7:00 – Finance, Payments & Tokenization as the Only Scaling Verticals 12:00 – Institutional Adoption & What Wall Street Actually Wants 18:00 – Token vs Equity Value Accrual 25:00 – Blockchain as the New Settlement & Issuance Layer 35:00 – Prediction Markets, Information & the Next Interface 45:00 – Crypto VC Consolidation & Dragonfly’s Thesis 55:00 – Real-World Assets, Stablecoins & On-Chain Markets 1:05:00 – Closing Thoughts: Where Value Accrues Next Enjoy!

Logan Jastremski

50,206 views • 1 month ago