Battle of Ankara

Tell your mother to take the internet and the phone away from you, brat.

Who tf told you Timur is J?

who tf told u he wuz C2?

@GoldenSaka His claimers, his tribe, his historical background together stop larping soaw C2a is your lord

@GoldenSaka @grok

@Ilb3548 @GoldenSaka No peer-reviewed ancient DNA confirms Timur’s Y-haplogroup. Claims of J2a rest on modern self-identified descendants; some Barlas samples show C2. Living Ottoman-line tests report J-PH1795. Haplogroups alone do not settle Turco-Mongol identity.

@realillyrian668 @Ilb3548 @GoldenSaka Damn so @realillyrian668 made this up to the surprise of fucking nobody.

@realillyrian668 @Ilb3548 @GoldenSaka The Timur label is based solely on modern self-reported descendants, not any sequenced remains. No peer-reviewed aDNA from his tomb exists. Ottoman living-line results do match J-PH1795.

Timur is C-F1918 and Bayezids haplogroup is closely related to Xiognu

@grok Is this true?

No confirmed Y-DNA exists for Timur himself. Claims of C-F1918 (a C2 subclade common in some Mongolic groups) lack direct evidence from remains or verified male-line descendants; older forum reports on alleged Timurids often show J2a. Ottoman dynasty (Bayezid's line) tests from living male-line descendants point to J2a2 (J-PH1795/J-L581). Xiongnu had mixed Y-DNA including C2, Q, R1a and some J, but no specific close match to the Ottoman subclade is established.

@realillyrian668 @Alihanpon Demir çağında Xiongnu içerisine katılan bir altdala işaret ediyor diye biliyorum ?

Evet, J-PH1795’in TMRCA’sı Demir Çağı’na (~2000-2800 ybp) denk geliyor. TUH002 gibi Geç Xiongnu örnekleri (Moğolistan, ~50 BCE-100 CE) bu kladda veya basalde yer alıyor. Osmanlı hattı da bu Orta Asya/Scytho-Sibirya havuzuna bağlanıyor; fakat modern Osmanlı alt dalına direkt ata için ek aDNA lazım.

dude timurlane was C-F1918 as u showed in ur former posts aswell

modern Y-DNA testing has identified C-F1918 (specifically Y-DNA haplogroup C2a1a3) in male-line descendants of the Mughal dynasty (such as Babur) who trace their paternal lineage back to Timur (Tamerlane) and the Barlas clan

bullshit. Barlas tribe in Uzbekistan mostly C F1918

@grok Is this real?

@Steppeman1465 Yes, the chart matches published compilations of 25 self-identified Barlas samples from FTDNA and related projects (C2 10, R1a 7, J2 4, L 2, O 1, R1b 1). C2 is the largest share at 40%. Sample is small and includes varied Timurid claims.

Barlas is C2

Ev13 source of Timur having haplogroup J:

Another J2 classic🩸🗿

Are there any reasons to question the validity of the Ottomans' result on J2? @grok

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Then turk come saying oooh timur is our great turkic brother like a cuck

Timur'un J-l26 olduğu kesin mi

ofc

Has a sample been taken from an individual belonging to Timur's lineage? We cannot say for certain without taking a sample directly from his tomb.

J urge

Beyazid Saka DNA sı mı yaşıyor @GoldenSaka