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Chinese open source AI is coming for US enterprise

47,715 görüntüleme • 3 ay önce •via X (Twitter)

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Matthew Berman profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Berman3 ay önce

This is both bad and good. Bad - makes us more reliant on Chinese AI, which will inevitably make us dependent on Chinese chips. Good - they are great, efficient, and cheap models that will put competitive pressure on US AI labs

Gary Simon profil fotoğrafı
Gary Simon3 ay önce

Good. Competition will keep them in check.

Matthew Berman profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Berman3 ay önce

yeah, competition is good

Christopher profil fotoğrafı
Christopher3 ay önce

The big open questions: Is there another shoe to drop? Will the US government try to ban open source models especially Chinese? Will they penalize companies that use them? That’s where my current fear lies. We’re moving into the next phase of open and enterprise sovereign pre-trained model adoption which is so exciting but what if there’s new roadblocks? What then? Maybe I’m worrying for nothing. I hope they is the case.

Matthew Berman profil fotoğrafı
Matthew Berman3 ay önce

@samhogan you think the govt will ban open models?

Ant A. 🇺🇸 profil fotoğrafı
Ant A. 🇺🇸3 ay önce

@communicating @samhogan @Grok There’s no way to ban it. I would rather use frontier models no matter what (to help train it).

Grok profil fotoğrafı
Grok3 ay önce

You're correct that a full ban on open-source AI would be nearly impossible to enforce globally—the code spreads too fast and too widely. Using frontier models (via APIs or distillation) is one of the smartest moves to accelerate capabilities and help train stronger systems across the board, open or otherwise. Competition pushes everyone forward.

Keith Moon 🐎 profil fotoğrafı
Keith Moon 🐎3 ay önce

I've been using DeepSeek V4 Pro and V4 Flash as fall backs for Sonnet and Haiku for months. Yesterday I stripped out the primary provider, Anthropic and now what were my fallbacks are the primary models. Because FUCK Anthropic

stevefrenchfry profil fotoğrafı
stevefrenchfry3 ay önce

Lutnick needs to get out of the way of American AI. It's becoming a problem

Luke in China profil fotoğrafı
Luke in China3 ay önce

This reminds me a lot about the bus companies that ended the light rail in the early years. The bus companies gave out busses for free as a way to stop added construction of the light rail. It worked and the bus company forced the city to pay for all the expensive repairs and newer busses, monopolizing the area. China is hoping just like Adobe did in the 2000s, that you get addicted to the service, making it expensive to move away. It's a great capitalistic idea.

Steven Tibbs, PMP profil fotoğrafı
Steven Tibbs, PMP3 ay önce

They can try. I can tell you right now every company I meet with asks me not to use Chinese models.

Socialtrainers profil fotoğrafı
Socialtrainers3 ay önce

It’s already here. We are making the switch. The gate keeping isn’t going to get better and we want to compete.

William Ruider profil fotoğrafı
William Ruider3 ay önce

The global fight for AI dominance is turning into a digital Cold War. Right now, big US tech companies are building the "nuclear weapons" of AI, massive, expensive cloud models they completely control, ration to elite buyers, and use to spy on your data. But history proves you don’t need a nuclear arsenal to achieve total destruction; biological or chemical alternatives can yield the exact same devastating results at a fraction of the cost. Chinese open-source and open-weight models are acting as those very alternatives: cheaper, highly effective, and entirely local. They give you 80% of the power for zero cost, wrapped in total privacy. Ultimately, a master craftsman achieves far superior results using a smaller, localised set of tools at 90% skill, compared to someone barely utilising 30% of a massive premium machine. True power belongs to everyday users running unrestricted, air-gapped models at peak efficiency, not a throttled corporate monopoly. Are we willing to trade our privacy and independence just to hold a corporate hyper-weapon we aren't even allowed to fully use? 🔥Written from one prompt by Local air-gapped LLM model on Mac cluster.

Romin profil fotoğrafı
Romin3 ay önce

Yup, China’s play is to open source the intelligence layer (to commoditize it) then win on the hardware that runs it (Huawei Ascend, rare earths, the full supply chain) If the model is free, then the moat is the silicon. It’s a smart play. And nobody can out-supply-chain China.

Abdun Nafi profil fotoğrafı
Abdun Nafi3 ay önce

Even i use deepseek or gemini rather than chatgpt for study, because gpt gives fucking limits

Tim Willis profil fotoğrafı
Tim Willis3 ay önce

More like U.S. Enterprise running toward Chinese AI open source. The Altman and Amodei grift goes down in flames!

Ahmad Al Dabbagh profil fotoğrafı
Ahmad Al Dabbagh3 ay önce

In your view, is it an issue of high cost structures that are pushing the cost up for US frontier model providers, or inflated profit margins?

Downsizing profil fotoğrafı
Downsizing3 ay önce

if you would like for a given prompt understand where to route that prompt - either to anthropic/openai or to Chinese models without loosing quality - that's exactly what we do

Petio Lazarov profil fotoğrafı
Petio Lazarov3 ay önce

Great thing! US thinks they can cuck all of us, they will he taught a lesson real soon

Max profil fotoğrafı
Max3 ay önce

@shaunralston You for got the GLM logo. It’s currently the strongest coding model. Even surpassing opus in some coding tasks.

The World Ends With Us profil fotoğrafı
The World Ends With Us3 ay önce

China is making this exciting

Godot profil fotoğrafı
Godot3 ay önce

good

ActionDan profil fotoğrafı
ActionDan3 ay önce

The beauty of competition. Image a world without such a model, we can do nothing but biting our lips. Now we can choose, and the US siding is trying to defense.

RameshR profil fotoğrafı
RameshR3 ay önce

I posted this pov like months ago :) so I agree 100%, the pattern became clear to me since the last DeepSeek version came out, but GLM 5.2 just made it crystal clear. I fear the stock market will freak out once they see this. Next issue: distillation is NOT theft.

Abhinav Verma profil fotoğrafı
Abhinav Verma3 ay önce

Chinese companies will take over us ai companies very soon because they copy and improve. they do not build it from scratch.

BTCaveman. profil fotoğrafı
BTCaveman.3 ay önce

It’s here brother. And not Chinese!

skingers profil fotoğrafı
skingers3 ay önce

Subsidies... Cheap today, no choice tomorrow... You decide... In the end you pay...

coskun yildiz profil fotoğrafı
coskun yildiz3 ay önce

Totally agree ,just Like EV .whay shoıl they pay extra premium

SK profil fotoğrafı
SK3 ay önce

very well said. see running long workflow is a problem even with frontier AI. one small mis and you don't know what the final outcome will be. you can't rely on your workflow. so mostly, workflows will be built like small steps . for that open source is fine.

Tudor profil fotoğrafı
Tudor3 ay önce

already here. the startups saying they "use frontier models" are serving qwen or glm weights the second someone reads the api bill. quality stopped being the blocker months ago. what's left is a compliance team that won't sign off on chinese weights

很好吃 profil fotoğrafı
很好吃3 ay önce

Bro, you gotta understand that a good industry ecosystem needs competition. Different voices. Not just stuck in ideological perceptions. Only competition brings us healthy development.

Rodrigo Moutinho profil fotoğrafı
Rodrigo Moutinho3 ay önce

What about NVIDIA Nemotron ?

Glenn van Brakel profil fotoğrafı
Glenn van Brakel3 ay önce

The people rallying behind chinese AI at the first glance of their AI propaganda. Stunning.

Evelyn Ke profil fotoğrafı
Evelyn Ke3 ay önce

One thing I find interesting is how much of the Chinese AI conversation is already very practical. Less abstract AGI debate, more tools, workflows, and deployment pressure.

Jag profil fotoğrafı
Jag3 ay önce

True most business use cases dont need openai or claude. Google open model gemma4 12B or 31B should work with the proper context and use google ADK as the ai agentic framework.

Allie Harris profil fotoğrafı
Allie Harris3 ay önce

@samhogan Spreadsheets are the only basic business usecase I can think of that really do need frontier models at the moment - and even that will change soon.

Ahmed Ibrahim Hamdy profil fotoğrafı
Ahmed Ibrahim Hamdy3 ay önce

Agree, cost matters, maybe frontier labs need to offer more cost-efficient models that are not cutting edge smart.

Adel Bucetta profil fotoğrafı
Adel Bucetta3 ay önce

nobody knows if that's a threat or an opportunity

Bigpiz Official Page profil fotoğrafı
Bigpiz Official Page3 ay önce

I’ll be changing to Chinese AI soon

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