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Chinese open source AI is coming for US enterprise

47,715 次观看 • 3 个月前 •via X (Twitter)

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Matthew Berman 的头像
Matthew Berman3 个月前

This is both bad and good. Bad - makes us more reliant on Chinese AI, which will inevitably make us dependent on Chinese chips. Good - they are great, efficient, and cheap models that will put competitive pressure on US AI labs

Gary Simon 的头像
Gary Simon3 个月前

Good. Competition will keep them in check.

Matthew Berman 的头像
Matthew Berman3 个月前

yeah, competition is good

Christopher 的头像
Christopher3 个月前

The big open questions: Is there another shoe to drop? Will the US government try to ban open source models especially Chinese? Will they penalize companies that use them? That’s where my current fear lies. We’re moving into the next phase of open and enterprise sovereign pre-trained model adoption which is so exciting but what if there’s new roadblocks? What then? Maybe I’m worrying for nothing. I hope they is the case.

Matthew Berman 的头像
Matthew Berman3 个月前

@samhogan you think the govt will ban open models?

Ant A. 🇺🇸 的头像
Ant A. 🇺🇸3 个月前

@communicating @samhogan @Grok There’s no way to ban it. I would rather use frontier models no matter what (to help train it).

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Grok3 个月前

You're correct that a full ban on open-source AI would be nearly impossible to enforce globally—the code spreads too fast and too widely. Using frontier models (via APIs or distillation) is one of the smartest moves to accelerate capabilities and help train stronger systems across the board, open or otherwise. Competition pushes everyone forward.

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Keith Moon 🐎3 个月前

I've been using DeepSeek V4 Pro and V4 Flash as fall backs for Sonnet and Haiku for months. Yesterday I stripped out the primary provider, Anthropic and now what were my fallbacks are the primary models. Because FUCK Anthropic

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stevefrenchfry3 个月前

Lutnick needs to get out of the way of American AI. It's becoming a problem

Luke in China 的头像
Luke in China3 个月前

This reminds me a lot about the bus companies that ended the light rail in the early years. The bus companies gave out busses for free as a way to stop added construction of the light rail. It worked and the bus company forced the city to pay for all the expensive repairs and newer busses, monopolizing the area. China is hoping just like Adobe did in the 2000s, that you get addicted to the service, making it expensive to move away. It's a great capitalistic idea.

Steven Tibbs, PMP 的头像
Steven Tibbs, PMP3 个月前

They can try. I can tell you right now every company I meet with asks me not to use Chinese models.

Socialtrainers 的头像
Socialtrainers3 个月前

It’s already here. We are making the switch. The gate keeping isn’t going to get better and we want to compete.

William Ruider 的头像
William Ruider3 个月前

The global fight for AI dominance is turning into a digital Cold War. Right now, big US tech companies are building the "nuclear weapons" of AI, massive, expensive cloud models they completely control, ration to elite buyers, and use to spy on your data. But history proves you don’t need a nuclear arsenal to achieve total destruction; biological or chemical alternatives can yield the exact same devastating results at a fraction of the cost. Chinese open-source and open-weight models are acting as those very alternatives: cheaper, highly effective, and entirely local. They give you 80% of the power for zero cost, wrapped in total privacy. Ultimately, a master craftsman achieves far superior results using a smaller, localised set of tools at 90% skill, compared to someone barely utilising 30% of a massive premium machine. True power belongs to everyday users running unrestricted, air-gapped models at peak efficiency, not a throttled corporate monopoly. Are we willing to trade our privacy and independence just to hold a corporate hyper-weapon we aren't even allowed to fully use? 🔥Written from one prompt by Local air-gapped LLM model on Mac cluster.

Romin 的头像
Romin3 个月前

Yup, China’s play is to open source the intelligence layer (to commoditize it) then win on the hardware that runs it (Huawei Ascend, rare earths, the full supply chain) If the model is free, then the moat is the silicon. It’s a smart play. And nobody can out-supply-chain China.

Abdun Nafi 的头像
Abdun Nafi3 个月前

Even i use deepseek or gemini rather than chatgpt for study, because gpt gives fucking limits

Tim Willis 的头像
Tim Willis3 个月前

More like U.S. Enterprise running toward Chinese AI open source. The Altman and Amodei grift goes down in flames!

Ahmad Al Dabbagh 的头像
Ahmad Al Dabbagh3 个月前

In your view, is it an issue of high cost structures that are pushing the cost up for US frontier model providers, or inflated profit margins?

Downsizing 的头像
Downsizing3 个月前

if you would like for a given prompt understand where to route that prompt - either to anthropic/openai or to Chinese models without loosing quality - that's exactly what we do

Petio Lazarov 的头像
Petio Lazarov3 个月前

Great thing! US thinks they can cuck all of us, they will he taught a lesson real soon

Max 的头像
Max3 个月前

@shaunralston You for got the GLM logo. It’s currently the strongest coding model. Even surpassing opus in some coding tasks.

The World Ends With Us 的头像
The World Ends With Us3 个月前

China is making this exciting

Godot 的头像
Godot3 个月前

good

ActionDan 的头像
ActionDan3 个月前

The beauty of competition. Image a world without such a model, we can do nothing but biting our lips. Now we can choose, and the US siding is trying to defense.

RameshR 的头像
RameshR3 个月前

I posted this pov like months ago :) so I agree 100%, the pattern became clear to me since the last DeepSeek version came out, but GLM 5.2 just made it crystal clear. I fear the stock market will freak out once they see this. Next issue: distillation is NOT theft.

Abhinav Verma 的头像
Abhinav Verma3 个月前

Chinese companies will take over us ai companies very soon because they copy and improve. they do not build it from scratch.

BTCaveman. 的头像
BTCaveman.3 个月前

It’s here brother. And not Chinese!

skingers 的头像
skingers3 个月前

Subsidies... Cheap today, no choice tomorrow... You decide... In the end you pay...

coskun yildiz 的头像
coskun yildiz3 个月前

Totally agree ,just Like EV .whay shoıl they pay extra premium

SK 的头像
SK3 个月前

very well said. see running long workflow is a problem even with frontier AI. one small mis and you don't know what the final outcome will be. you can't rely on your workflow. so mostly, workflows will be built like small steps . for that open source is fine.

Tudor 的头像
Tudor3 个月前

already here. the startups saying they "use frontier models" are serving qwen or glm weights the second someone reads the api bill. quality stopped being the blocker months ago. what's left is a compliance team that won't sign off on chinese weights

很好吃 的头像
很好吃3 个月前

Bro, you gotta understand that a good industry ecosystem needs competition. Different voices. Not just stuck in ideological perceptions. Only competition brings us healthy development.

Rodrigo Moutinho 的头像
Rodrigo Moutinho3 个月前

What about NVIDIA Nemotron ?

Glenn van Brakel 的头像
Glenn van Brakel3 个月前

The people rallying behind chinese AI at the first glance of their AI propaganda. Stunning.

Evelyn Ke 的头像
Evelyn Ke3 个月前

One thing I find interesting is how much of the Chinese AI conversation is already very practical. Less abstract AGI debate, more tools, workflows, and deployment pressure.

Jag 的头像
Jag3 个月前

True most business use cases dont need openai or claude. Google open model gemma4 12B or 31B should work with the proper context and use google ADK as the ai agentic framework.

Allie Harris 的头像
Allie Harris3 个月前

@samhogan Spreadsheets are the only basic business usecase I can think of that really do need frontier models at the moment - and even that will change soon.

Ahmed Ibrahim Hamdy 的头像
Ahmed Ibrahim Hamdy3 个月前

Agree, cost matters, maybe frontier labs need to offer more cost-efficient models that are not cutting edge smart.

Adel Bucetta 的头像
Adel Bucetta3 个月前

nobody knows if that's a threat or an opportunity

Bigpiz Official Page 的头像
Bigpiz Official Page3 个月前

I’ll be changing to Chinese AI soon

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