.David Deutsch: Creativity is disobedience. By not recognizing that, by suppressing disobedience, you’re suppressing creativity—always. Apart from mass murderers or something. But even then, it’s only the actions of criminals that have to be suppressed. Their ideas are best dealt with in non-violent ways. So we need to make... a physically safe society, but not a society safe from ideas—unless they’re ideas about violence, intolerance, or suppressing the growth of knowledge. And there are many such ideas around.show more

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@rethink_sontwin @DavidDeutschOxf I agree with you. Unfortunately, we have the problem that we have societies, and the USA in particular, which only admire economic success, i.e. wealth. We have to become societies again that put the common good in the foreground, then it runs automatically.

This is sleight of hand. Violence is but one type of dominance engagement. There are many types, like economic, psychological, political, etc. People may use creativity to take and maintain a dominant role. They may also use brute force. We cheer when the creative subordinates are particularly creative, particularly when creativity wins over brute force. See: Star Wars. People may also use creativity to take and maintain a subordinate role. Life is, first and foremost, a series of dominance engagements. If everyone agrees on who will take the dominate and subordinate role, then peace. If not, engagement. Creativity, both the blind and critical kind, enables dominance. Source, for starters:

@DavidDeutschOxf That said - without something to be disobedient to, you might not have creativity. This is the role culture plays in progress.

@DavidDeutschOxf @Sander_vdLinden is an academic who may have a different perspective?

@DavidDeutschOxf even they’re ideas about violence, intolerance, or suppressing the growth of knowledge.---------they have not to be suppressed. because The best way to deal with wrong ideas is not to censor them, but to refute them.

It is not just suppression from government that needs to be overcome it is innate human nature and our evolutionary legacy. Obedience to leaders and tribal unity were once key survival traits. Cognitive Efficiency – Thinking critically requires effort; following the crowd is easier. Social Pressure – Dissent comes with consequences (ostracization, backlash). Emotional Comfort – Certainty feels better than uncertainty, even if it’s false. And then pile on top of that Vested Interests that don’t want your ideas threatening their advantages.

@DavidDeutschOxf it sounds topsy-turvy to people who believe in punishment (shame, cosmic justice, etc).