Didn't God create everything?

You bear false witness.

Creatio ex-nihilo isn't biblical. Glad to clear that up for you, buds.

lol wut. No wonder he got his ass kicked by Hansen at the apostasy debate. “oH yeAH? WhEre diD prEexISTing maTTer ComE fROm?” Is like me asking you where God came from.

Unless you’ve summoned it out of previously non-existent material, it’s not “created”? Your career, your values, your ideas, your relationship, your children; you’ve made nothing. What an utterly nihilistic concept.

Your knowledge and presentation on Mormon belief is puerile and embarrassing. You’re a liar and fraud as I’ve exposed.

“Now, the word create came from the word baurau which does not mean to create out of nothing; it means to organize; the same as a man would organize materials and build a ship. Hence, we infer that God had materials to organize the world out of chaos—chaotic matter, which is element, and in which dwells all the glory. Element had an existence from the time he had. The pure principles of element are principles which can never be destroyed; they may be organized and re-organized, but not destroyed. They had no beginning, and can have no end.” - Joseph Smith All humans, including Jesus Christ, as well as Lucifer and the 1/3 of the hosts of Heaven cast out for rebellion against God’s Plan before the foundation of the world, are literally children of God the Father. Come and see.

The real question is are you going to have @ThoughtfulSaint on to refute the abysmal representation of Latter-day Saint beliefs that you and Joe did the other day?

Here for the ratio How about stop lying about us?

lol your such a weasel

Yeah creatio ex nihlo is a false doctrine. Even some of the original church fathers believed this and it would be insane to say that they believe in a different God.

Let me rebut this specific clip⬇️ If you had any decency or self respect you would make a full retraction for how dishonest you've been.

Calling an entire god-fearing people atheist is the most catholic thing I’ve seen

Your name should be changed to Matt Fraud… Becuase this episode exposed your blindness

Latter-day Saints like myself believe God organized the universal constants and laws of physics and designed DNA. That's a LITTLE bit more than a mere sculpture. You're not honest. If you have the truth, why do you have to lie about us? I don't think you believe you have the truth, or you wouldn't feel the need to lie.

This is a silly take. “Are Mormons atheist?” “Yes” Nibba WAT ?!?! What a waste of time. Just read what they believe from the horses mouth. No twists or spin.

Creation ex nihilo 1) isn't Biblical and 2) posits an evil God. So... yea I'm happy being called an atheist I guess if that's what I have to believe in to be a theist.

Latter-day Saints, or “Mormons” if you’re behind the times, are staunchly believers, followers, and disciples of Jesus Christ. The fact that this is even a question shows how little you care about the truth. It’s really sad to see.

The word Elohim (God the Father) in the Old Testament is plural. I know that blows minds, but more importantly it destroys creedal Christian’s false doctrines. You really can become more like God. That’s the whole point of existence and Christ’s sacrifice. Stop resisting it.

I'm not even active LDS and this is complete nonsense! There's plenty of true things to argue about with the LDS church, no need to spread lies.

Other notable atheists include Moses (according to Justin Martyr). Also, probably most ancient prophets + the early Apostles, none of whom explicitly articulated creation ex nihilo.

You only think God is worth worshipping if He created things from nothing? A God who shaped His children from existing materials is no God at all? Why? Why is one act the act of a God and one act is not good enough?

@grok what is the timeline and evolution of the creedal Christian belief in creation ex nihilo and what was the role of Greek philosophy? Did the ancient Hebrews believe the creation involved organizing pre-existing matter?

Of course. He created everything in the same sense that we use the word "create" in our common parlance, and also as it was used by the ancient Israelites and the earliest Christians. Just not in the narrow nonsensical sense used by you Neo-Platonic Creedalists-creation out of nothing

Greek philosophy is your god.

You serve Satan, Matt. Repent while you still can.

On your next episode, have the white guy from the Hamptons explain what growing up in Harlem is like

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He allows us to take part in His creation. He gives a husband and wife the power to create a child. While it's true that all good things come from God, He does not create evil things. He does nothing except that which is good. There's must be an opposition in all things. Otherwise, righteousness could not be brought to pass. This is why our theology is true and so much better: We don't believe God created evil, like most creedal Christians.

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Is astonishing how you bring on someone who knows little of the restored Church of Jesus Christ. Not only does he know little, he attacks the church that does more to help others world wide than any other church in this world. Know your fruit! Clearly youre sense is misplaced.

What a great clip on the philosophical concept of the uncreated Creator, it’s just so unfortunate that you now work for the enemies of Christ, and his Church, but I guess that it’s no wonder you changed your podcast’s name from Pints with Aquinas, something that, on the face, I’m not sure that I could relate to more, to naming it after yourself, an absolute fraud, as far as I can tell, because it would bring such shame to the Angelic Doctor.

You're retarded

They act like the religion should be largely ignored and its claims easily refuted, but then can’t be truthful when contending against the faith. Easier just to lie to people to make them believe ridiculous claims like they are “atheists” than it is to truthfully and honestly challenge their claims. If you would just be honest Mormons wouldn’t care if you discussed our beliefs. I just don’t understand interviewing a non member, ask leading questions, have him answer them incorrectly, and then pretend he is an authority on the topic is very strange. It’s just very odd seeing two middle aged men who should have a solid grasp on ethics and integrity try to pass their discussion off as an attempt to truthfully represent LDS beliefs. Just don’t understand the need to bear false witness. If you have the self professed upper hand through Biblical and Apostolic authority why do you also need to lie? Just stick to the facts. Saying we are atheists is a very lazy and intentionally misleading angle. We clearly believe in and love God and Jesus Christ. I just can’t understand how these guys recorded this and said “that’s it guys! What a fair discussion. Mormons are atheist!” This whole podcast should be really embarrassing for them. Crazy lack of general knowledge.