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Does free will exist? In this debate, neuroscientist Robert Sapolsky examines the timeless philosophical question of free will and fate through a scientific lens. He takes a determinist perspective, arguing that because every decision is triggered by environmental stimuli and biological processes, it is impossible to “shoehorn” in the... show more
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The argument is: 1. Assume determinism is true. 2. Freedom contradicts determinism. 3. Therefore freedom doesn’t exist. Powerful logic. Why should we assume 1?

If everything just happens because of what happens before, how can anyone "reject [or accept] the notion of free will?"

i agree with this!

Freewill is just the illusion of having so many choices you think you have a say in it.

take for instance an apple on a tree a bird knocks it down it rots and the seeds fall in to the dirt become tree or another instance of this apple it falls hits the dirts rots in to minerals and becomes a rock or that same apple is picked sliced soften and made in to a pie

Please take this seriously! 🙏 Here is proof, taken from actual subjective experience, that the entire concept of "free will" is an error based upon an incorrect identification of Self This is a reasonable and sound inquiry. Why won't you respond to me?

"Sapolsky takes a determinist perspective, arguing that because every decision is triggered by environmental stimuli & biological processes, it is impossible to “shoehorn” in the notion of freedom." Does Sapolsky apply that to Trump, Hitler, etc? It seems that he doesn't.

The question doesn't actually matter, if one's delusions are functional. Turning yourself into a depressive realist and suffering the subsequent paralysis that it brings is not functional and you'd be better off being delusional.

If they have no choice to accept or deny then saying it would be a better place is irrelevant and no o e will ever be responsible for any outcomes either way. Why consider options at all if they are preselected?

Under naive physical realism, he may be right.

Free will has to exist for science to mean anything at all

Social / Genetic / Natural lotteries; "lotteries", not choices. Obviously, connoting luck/chance is superdeterministic - considering *everything* is governed by chance.

The way I see it there is a difference between unconscious and conscious behavior. I think the outcome of a conscious decision is still determined in the way Robert Sapolsky describes it. But it can be another choice, with its own consequences, than we would have made without being conscious of the options we had or without understanding why we had a tendency to do the wrong thing. So even if free will is a subjective experience it really exists as something important in my view. In the same way you and I exist. Life is all about meaning. If on the other hand you would state that free will does not exist because it's a subjective experience, I think it would be consistent to say that a lot of things don't exist, if any at all.

How can we take anybody accountable for their actions without presupposing free will?

Yes, free will exists. But only without conditioning.

Once I was married, with children and a mortgage, the sense of freedom of will became a theoretical concept.

To deny freewill is to deny Transcendence in which freedom is rooted. Those who deny it are Satan's agents and useful idiots.

How about environmental stimuli and biological processes are parts of consciousness?

Starting with chemical reactions themselves, there is a LOT of random in those allegedly "deterministic" relationships of biological causes and effects. And the magnitude of every effect follows a distribution of probability. I.o.w.: There ARE "butterfly-effects". Room for will.

I flulky agree with Sapolsky!

"because every decision is triggered by environmental stimuli and biological processes" Is this a reason for believing determinism, or is it just the thesis of determinism?

There may or may not be free will, but Sapolsky’s logic is so painfully flawed.

