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E183: Jupiter COO - Why Solana Is The Everything Chain and Why Get Rich Slow Is The Real Alpha kash is the COO of Jupiter, the biggest trading and DeFi platform on Solana. He got his start on the founding team at Superteam, then spent the last year and...

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E159: Hyperliquid: Housing all of Finance jeff.hl came back on the When Shift Happens Podcast to talk about the Hyperliquid journey since the TGE and what the future holds for one of the most loved and prolific protocols in the space Hyperliquid Timestamps 0:00 Intro 2:01 Singapore 2:27 Reminiscing on the Token Launch 5:00 Was This Scale Of Wealth Expected? 6:28 Doing The Right Thing In Crypto 9:07 The Responsibility that comes with Billions of $ 11:10 Jupiter KAST 11:51 Bringing Hyperliquid to the masses 15:21 Pre TGE and Post TGE: Operational difference 20:13 Choices on what to build Internally vs Externally 22:05 How to build a reliable team 24:51 Did the Team celebrate the HYPE wealth Generation event? 26:45 How to test talents for High Integrity 28:31 How much does the Hyperliquid team sleep? 30:05 Employee Vesting Fears 31:41 Dealing with FUD 32:28 How Does Jeff Personally Handle FUD 35:02 Token "Buybacks" critics 37:20 Why Hyperliquid can't have Discretionary "Buybacks" 39:04 HyperEVM, explained Simply 40:00 Paradex Zodl 40:41 HyperEVM: Success so Far? 44:05 HIP-3, explained Simply 47:44 What makes Hyperliquid's approach different 48:19 Why Should People Care? 51:33 Bring All Finance On Chain 52:08 Why Is The Hyperliquid Approach Better? 53:47 Key Numbers showing that Hyperliquid Is Doing it right 59:01 What Has the Unit team demonstrated with spot trading on Hyperliquid in 2025 1:03:29 HIP-4: Outcome Markets 1:08:01 Trezor Sui 1:08:58 What does "Housing All Of Finance" mean? 1:10:51 Why Hyperliquid is not a crypto company 1:12:23 Why Does Hyperliquid have A Stablecoin USDH (Native Markets) 1:14:39 What Is Kinetiq & Why Does It Matter? 1:16:15 Why Is What HyperLend Is Building Important For HyperLiquid 1:23:39 Where did Fairness cost the most? 1:24:47 What should Hyperliquid be Remembered for? 1:25:24 Why should people stay in Crypto when there's an AI brain drain? 1:28:10 Closing Thoughts

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E163:Xiao-Xiao J. Zhu: Nobody Ships Like Jupiter Xiao Xiao is the President of Jupiter - one of the most prolific teams in crypto. He's also a former concert pianist who played for George Bush and Gorbachev as a teenager, built KKR's digital asset strategy from scratch, and then left one of the most prestigious jobs in finance to go all in on Solana. Timestamps: 0:00 Introduction 1:52 Xiao’s Personal Thoughts On Dubai 3:11 Kevin Working For Luxury Brands 3:47 Working, Chaos, & A Delicate Balance Within Jupiter 5:16 How Xiao’s Previous Job At KKR Compares To Jupiter 6:01 Coming From TradFi Means Less Structure More Output 7:35 What Is Jupiter Global 8:29 Siloed Point Solution vs The Network Effect & Aggregation 10:09 Who Is Xiao Xiao 11:26 Partnerships: Jupiter KAST 12:06 Tell Us More About The Musical Part Of Your Life 13:49 Xiao’s Realization About What He Wanted To Pursue 16:22 What Was This BCG Project About? 18:00 Xiao’s Big Crypto Aha Moment 22:10 What Happens At A Big Firm Like KKR In Terms Of Market Cycles 27:00 Did You Feel FOMO In Regards To FTX Around 2022 31:01 How Advanced Is This Institutional Adoption Within Crypto Now vs Future 37:14 Partnerships: Ethena, Sumsub 38:16 The Fantasy/FOMO Of Going All In On Crypto With Your Job 40:38 You Left TradFy For Jupiter, Why? 48:25 What Xiao’s Trying To Prove Within This Jupiter Chapter 51:13 Are You The Reason KKR & ParaFi Invested In Jupiter? 52:48 Why Concretely Did ParaFi Invest $35 Million Into Jup Token 57:31 Partnerships: Trezor Bitwise Sui 58:28 What Does Onchain Finance Look Like In 5 years 1:07:25 One Thing That Makes You Proud To Be Apart Of Jupiter 1:10:42 Kevin’s One Thing He’s Proud Of With Jupiter 1:14:24 What Shift Is Happening That Most People Don’t See 1:18:18 Closing Thoughts

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E114: Walrus 🦭/acc : Decentralizing Data Storage, the perfect complement to the SUI Network George Danezis is the Chief Scientist at MystenLabs.sui , co-creator of the Sui , and one the minds behind Walrus 🦭/acc Timestamps 0:00 Intro 2:00 Partnerships: Jupiter, Bitwise, SUI & Mantle 2:46 Sleeping Habits 4:05 Who is George? 4:23 What is a Chief Scientist? 5:16 Research at Microsoft vs. Now 6:59 What is “Good Research”? 8:49 Corporate Innovation vs. Reality 10:31 Why I Love Teaching Security 11:52 Self Custody with Trezor 12:44 Teaching vs. Real-World Application 16:28 What Makes an Idea Great? 17:51 The Idea That Never Worked Out 19:50 Being Late to Ideas, Not Early 20:56 The Essence of Peer-to-Peer Networks 23:50 Why We Need Peer-to-Peer Systems? 27:51 Why Decentralization Was Hard to Realize 31:09 Bitcoin's Game-Changing Impact 33:10 ETH Aha Moment 34:46 Facebook’s Conviction in Blockchain 37:39 Scaling DIEM/LIBRA to Sui 39:20 Biggest Issue at Facebook 40:20 Why Facebook Bet on Crypto 41:40 Why I Left Facebook 45:07 Balancing Passion and Pay 46:43 What is a Blockchain Good For? 51:42 Understanding Blockchain’s Limitations 53:21 CryptoKitties 54:36 Meme Coins: Culture vs. Scam 57:02 The Role of Norms in Crypto 1:00:32 What is the Sui Network? 1:02:32 Why Do We Need The Sui Network? 1:03:34 Layer 1 vs. Layer 2 1:05:07 Why Build a Layer One? 1:09:21 Top Layer One Competitors 1:10:45 Decentralization vs. Practicality 1:14:06 Minimum Decentralization 1:16:33 Data Storage & Its Biggest Problem 1:20:05 What is Walrus Protocol? 1:22:09 Why Walrus is Possible Now 1:25:35 Why Sui Network for Data Storage? 1:27:37 Vision of Walrus Protocol 1:28:59 Building a Neutral Tech Future 1:30:44 Using Existing Blockchains 1:33:03 Future of Decentralized Production 1:35:51 Prediction For The Next 12 Months 1:39:04 Concluding Remarks

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E137: From exposing Bitcoin’s biggest weakness to onboarding FIFA and MapleStory - Avalanche🔺 CEO and Founder Emin Gün Sirer🔺⚔️ - founder of Ava Labs 🔺, the company behind Avalanche - shares the journey from building Karma (a pre-Bitcoin digital currency) to pioneering Avalanche, the multi-chain blockchain reshaping crypto's infrastructure. From early academic battles with Bitcoin maxis to onboarding FIFA and MapleStory Universe, this is one of the wildest rides in Web3. Timestamps 0:00 Introduction 1:59 Opening Comments 2:55 What Is Your Mission 3:39 Who Are You 6:00 Business vs PHD Program 7:21 Chip on The Shoulder 9:32 Partnerships Jupiter, Money Badgers, Mantle 10:27 Chip On The Shoulder (Continued) 11:55 What Is An Internet Currency 13:55 Why Was Bitcoin Better 15:46 Biggest Flaws In Bitcoin 19:17 Is Maximalism A Good Thing 21:18 Does Maximalism Help Bitcoin 22:05 Fascination With Bitcoin & Crypto 23:33 Evolution With Time 25:11 Broader Crypto Use 27:26 Partnerships Trezor Sui 28:15 Avalanche Explained Simply 28:48 Shiny Object, Why People Fall For It 33:08 Moving Towards Show Me Era 34:27 What Emin Did Different 36:45 What Did You Do Wrong 38:10 Does The Best Tech Win 40:03 Avalanche, Home of Layer Ones? 42:10 How Does Avalanche Scale 43:38 The Gaming Blockchain 48:21 Real World Assets on Defy 50:31 How Big Is RWA 50:58 Why Transformation Is Slow 52:36 FIFA On Avalanche Blockchain, Why? 53:28 Endgame For Avalanche 56:48 Personal Difficulties While Building 58:30 What Did You Change Afterwards 1:01:25 Why Live In New York 1:03:40 Debanked After Moving 1:09:05 Crypto Full Mainstream, How? 1:10:43 Biggest Prediction In 12 Months

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E120: Raoul Pal: Welcome to phase 2 of the Banana zone! 🍌🍌 In this 90-minute enlightening and hilarious conversation, Raoul Pal unpacks why everyone — and their mom — thought the bull market was dead and collectively lost it online… while he was sipping wine and dishing out insults from the sidelines on his live streams. This is Raoul’s first appearance on a podcast in over four months — in case there was any doubt, Banana Zone Phase 2 mode is ON! Timestamps 0:00 Introduction 2:02 Partnerships: Jupiter , Kast, SUI, 2:48 Crazy Bitcoin Returns 5:09 What is KAST (old) 6:52 Explaining My Job in Crypto 8:23 Why Raoul Got Drunk on Live Streams 10:52 Why People Like Being Insulted 11:50 Self Custody with Trezor 12:44 True Wealth in Crypto 15:37 Finding the Best Risk Adjusted Bets 18:29 Mad Lads Saved Solana 19:56 How to Get Rich in Crypto Without Getting Lucky 22:55 Meme Coins & Fartcoin💨 25:13 Paranoid at All Times 29:14 Why Crypto Yield Is Risky 32:53 Leverage Always Breaks Crypto 35:29 70% in Sui 36:54 Why Sui is Raoul's Favorite Child 40:19 Managing Sui Positions 41:35 De-Risking: When to Take Profits 42:38 Building Wealth Beyond Crypto 44:21 Gambling House on Bitcoin 45:13 What is DeepBook Protocol on Sui? 46:22 Missing out on NFTs 54:45 Is Ethereum Cooked Forever? 1:00:27 Will AI Kill Crypto? 1:02:42 AI's Rise to Sentience 1:06:37 Humans vs. AI 1:09:26 Digital Immortality 1:12:06 Finding Happiness in Simple Things 1:14:33 Embracing Imperfection in Life 1:17:55 Why Kevin can't find a Girlfriend 1:19:58 Stepping Out of Your Comfort Zone 1:21:09 Concluding Remarks Real Vision

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E182: Jordi Visser - Why Aging is a disease, Why Bitcoin is a hedge against abundance and why you shouldn't buy a house! Jordi Visser spent three decades on Wall Street, from a Morgan Stanley trading desk to CIO at Weiss Multi-Strategy. These days he studies AI, macro, and longevity full time. We cover why he thinks aging is optional, why Bitcoin is the only asset he'd bet on for the next decade, and why money never actually made him happy. 00:00 Intro 02:10 Jordi's Weekend Recap 03:49 The Blueprint For Living To 100 04:31 Why Longevity Became An Obsession 05:44 What Kills A Healthy Habit 07:20 Supplements & Meds: Worth It? 09:51 Partnerships: Variational Bitwise 10:44 The First Step Into Longevity 12:17 Wealth's Hidden Effect On Longevity 14:03 Peptides & Hormones: Jordi's Take 17:47 What Is Heart-Rate Variability? 21:21 How To Track Your HRV 23:17 Average vs. Great HRV 25:12 Lessons From The Finance World 29:10 Learning What Money Really Means 31:58 Partnership: KAST 32:47 Why Make More Money At All 35:20 "AI Will Make Everything Abundant" 38:20 Does Abundance Mean Cheaper? 38:54 Why We'll Still Need Wealth 41:22 How Jordi Fell Into Bitcoin 47:44 Jordi's Bitcoin Thesis, Simplified 50:10 How Much Bitcoin Is In His Portfolio 50:48 Would Jordi Ever Sell? 51:52 Partnerships: Jupiter Ethena 52:38 How Big Can Bitcoin Get 54:00 On "Bitcoin Is Too Expensive" 55:28 Why A Crypto Channel, Not Just Bitcoin 56:25 Does Jordi Own Other Crypto 57:24 Other Scarce Assets He's Bought 58:41 Should 20-Somethings Buy A House 01:02:00 Routine vs. Unique 01:03:57 Why Allergies Aren't Real 01:07:02 Closing Thoughts

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E135: The $100T Finance Revolution - How Chainlink Is Bringing TradFi On-Chain Sergey Nazarov, co-founder and CEO of Chainlink, explains why crypto has hit a growth wall and how traditional finance holds the key to its explosive future. From powering 80% of DeFi to building bridges for Wall Street's trillions, Sergey reveals why banks aren't crypto's enemy… they're its savior. Timestamps: 0:00 Intro 2:02 Partnerships: Jupiter, KAST (old), , Sui, Mantle, Forza! BTC 2:52 Why $4 Trillion is Coming to Crypto 3:07 Banks Will Save Crypto 3:52 Libertarian Bitcoin Beginnings 4:32 Choice vs Anti-Establishment 5:56 BlackRock Changed Everything 6:46 Institutions Want Bitcoin Higher 7:30 The Real Problem with Control 8:52 Connecting Valuable Systems 9:30 What is Chainlink Explained Simply 9:42 Self-custody with Trezor 10:35 Mathematical vs People Guarantees 11:31 The Wirecard Problem 13:25 Proof of Reserves Solution 17:30 Your Bitcoin Private Key Never Fails 19:44 Necessity is the Mother of Invention 20:14 From Bitcoin Rebel to Institution Builder 20:36 Immigrating from Russia with Nothing 22:06 Understanding How Capitalism Works 24:04 We Invented Oracle Networks 24:59 Seeing the Mathematical World 27:09 Chain Link Powered DeFi's Growth 28:03 Marcus Aurelius Philosophy 28:48 No One is Coming to Save You 29:15 What I Realized at Age 5 30:19 Why I Don't Care What People Think 31:40 Institutions Lack Competence 33:39 Bernie Madoff Exploited Holes 39:59 Every New Beginning Quote 41:40 How to Pivot vs Quit 47:55 Where Will Growth Come From 48:57 DeFi Explained to a Child 50:59 The Coming Instability 52:03 How Do You Define Truth 55:05 Cryptographically Defined Truth 58:14 Hyper Automation is Coming 1:00:16 AI Oracle Networks 1:07:38 Smart Contracts Explained Simply 1:09:00 What is an Oracle 1:09:40 What is Chainlink 1:11:04 Chainlink Started Eight Years Ago 1:11:20 You Can't Automate People 1:12:51 Information Asymmetries Problem 1:19:54 Launching 1000+ Oracle Networks 1:22:02 Our Biggest Problem Today 1:24:13 The Mastercard Partnership Explained 1:26:52 3.5 Billion Users Can Buy Tokens 1:28:02 The Chainlink Standard 1:32:08 DeFi and TradFi Same Standards 1:34:50 How Chainlink Takes Over TradFi 1:38:07 Chainlink Runtime Environment 1:42:48 The Chainlink Marines Community 1:44:56 Message to the Community 1:51:54 Crypto as Public Good 1:55:56 People Think I'm Satoshi Nakamoto 1:56:53 Why Satoshi Stays Anonymous 1:58:26 Thomas Edison Quote on Genius 2:01:11 Ideas Need Refinement 2:04:55 Why I Don't Tell People What I'm Doing 2:08:07 I Don't Optimize for Happiness 2:10:21 Growth Over Happiness Philosophy

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