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Ed Thorp beat blackjack. Caught Madoff seventeen years before the SEC. Predicted Buffett would be the richest man in America. Compounded twenty years without a losing quarter. He is 93. Everything he did came from one paper written in 1956. The paper is still free. Almost nobody has read...

637,153 просмотров • 2 месяцев назад •via X (Twitter)

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Фото профиля Veles
Veles2 месяцев назад

Must have to read

Фото профиля Kursor
Kursor2 месяцев назад

Most people chase better predictions. Thorp proved that surviving long enough to compound matters even more.

Фото профиля Veles
Veles2 месяцев назад

@future_neural The market rewards showing up tomorrow

Фото профиля Bojan
Bojan2 месяцев назад

the Kelly criterion is the one piece of math every trader nods along to and almost nobody actually sizes their positions with

Фото профиля Veles
Veles2 месяцев назад

Every trader agrees with Kelly right up until they place the trade.

Фото профиля Nemanja19
Nemanja192 месяцев назад

Ed is sick brain real genius also good friend with Bil Benter and Željko Ranogajec.

Фото профиля Arthur Dillahay
Arthur Dillahay2 месяцев назад

Edward O Thorp wrote the first blackjack book “Beat The Dealer”, I was going to a 48 week computer school and memorized the book. I only got to go to Taho a few times but l never lost.

Фото профиля Bailiwick
Bailiwick2 месяцев назад

This reads very AI-speak

Фото профиля Orion
Orion2 месяцев назад

How do you know when it's enough?

Фото профиля Veles
Veles2 месяцев назад

When the next dollar costs more time than it's worth. Most people never do that math.

Фото профиля TruthSeeker
TruthSeeker2 месяцев назад

@Claude was around in 1961 😜

Фото профиля Valeri
Valeri2 месяцев назад

sizing was half Kelly. the walking away had no formula and that second number is harder

Фото профиля Ari
Ari2 месяцев назад

Claudeslop should banned

Фото профиля Jeff Avery
Jeff Avery2 месяцев назад

Slop

Фото профиля HokeyPokey
HokeyPokey2 месяцев назад

great interview with the legend Jim Thorpe... Genug est genug!

Фото профиля Andreas Schulz
Andreas Schulz2 месяцев назад

Ed Thorp is the GOAT. Thank you for posting this - looking forward to watching the whole interview.

Фото профиля Veles
Veles2 месяцев назад

Thank you mate

Фото профиля Raðskegg
Raðskegg2 месяцев назад

The interview is at least 4 years old.

Фото профиля Greg Focaccio
Greg Focaccio2 месяцев назад

hey @grok cut the suspenceful hype baggage fluff language and tell me the bottom line.

Фото профиля Corvus
Corvus2 месяцев назад

The edge was never finding good bets. It was surviving long enough for the mathematics to matter

Фото профиля ma dukes
ma dukes2 месяцев назад

Half Kelly Full Monty

Фото профиля Ochob
Ochob2 месяцев назад

Why half Kelly and not quarter?

Фото профиля Veles
Veles2 месяцев назад

Half Kelly = 75% of the growth, 25% of the drawdown. Quarter is safer but leaves too much on the table.

Фото профиля Psalter
Psalter2 месяцев назад

Beat casino is crazy🤝

Фото профиля Veles
Veles2 месяцев назад

Casinos got a new pit boss

Фото профиля SkunkBear Consulting
SkunkBear Consulting2 месяцев назад

I’m surprised he missed the risk of the massive Muslim waves into Europe / USA , and Islamo/ Marxist alliance that is hellbent on destroying western civilization.

Фото профиля Tuscan Star
Tuscan Star2 месяцев назад

@Vegas @reviewjournal love this 😎😎😎❤️

Фото профиля Kisup
Kisup2 месяцев назад

@grok who is the richest man in America?

Фото профиля Tuscan Star
Tuscan Star2 месяцев назад

I lived in Vegas...saw a new roulette take ... tried it on games... it's a winner

Фото профиля Pierre Popèrze
Pierre Popèrze2 месяцев назад

@grok explain practical and for degens

Фото профиля Sammy
Sammy2 месяцев назад

unbelievable that someone left on the internet such a golden interview thanks

Фото профиля sam fahmy
sam fahmy2 месяцев назад

Thanks for the interview

Фото профиля G
G2 месяцев назад

You know you are in the presence of greatness, when you hear this interview.

Фото профиля Ujjval Vyas
Ujjval Vyas2 месяцев назад

His biography is a very nice read and has great stuff on working with Shannon as well.

Фото профиля Stanley Mcstanley
Stanley Mcstanley2 месяцев назад

@grok what show is this?

Фото профиля Bob Christian
Bob Christian2 месяцев назад

"Nineteen straight years. 19-20% a year. Not one losing quarter." Has anyone else ever done that?

Фото профиля James MacKay
James MacKay2 месяцев назад

Outstanding thank you one of the top three in my trisector of outstanding authors along with Claude Shannon and John Kelly

Фото профиля Rusty Star
Rusty Star2 месяцев назад

@grok read this Kelly publication and tell me what to do

Фото профиля Sam Evans
Sam Evans2 месяцев назад

@Threadreaderapp unroll

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