Elephant Graveyard made a joke stealing comparison to Nirvana being the original without knowing: Dave Grohl: stole drums from Gap Band Kurt Cobain: stole guitar from Boston’s “More Than A Feeling” and Kingsmen’s “Louie Louie”

EG’s point wasn’t that Smells like Teen Spirit was original, it was that the song was so popular that it would be impossible to believe someone else wrote a song that sounded like it without hearing the original

The allusion is to originality or it doesn’t work. Had EG used Ice Ice Baby as the example it wouldn’t make sense. If every one knows Smells Like Teen Spirit is a stolen song that resulted in a lawsuit ending Nirvana’s career there’s no comparison.

@GenPopCorp But it’s not a stolen song. It uses what Cobain called a “cliche” that is similar to more than a feeling and Louie Louie (and a million other songs, hence it being a cliche) but it’s different chords, a different progression. It’s a different song entirely

@GenPopCorp Song isn’t the point, riff is. That’s why Kurt plays Boston right before the riff he borrowed. People know Ice Ice Baby is stolen because of the riff. Vanilla Ice used a different chord progression for the rest of the song and melodically it’s different as well.

At this point who gives a shit who gives a fuck

It’s a point of contention for some + bucket pulls from time to time have either shared oberservsation or totally plagiarised from well known comics.

Not a defense of TH and save the “what abouts” for anything else EG mentioned that has merit. Just wild that any comic wants ownership for being the first to joke about a topic. No one else can do murder documentaries or shallow graves bc Norm did it first. Meanwhile musicians sing about the same 7 subjects and no one cares unless the song is copied chord for chord.

That idea only works if you know nothing about how music is made

It would be the same for art and fashion. What appears similar to every one else is a world of difference by those studied or experienced. Either way there’s only so many original concept. In story writing there are only 7 types of stories to tell.

Smart reply. There are only 12 notes

Feel there’s something similar with joke telling. And at what point does the reduction stop? Tony Scar tells jokes while singing on a guitar. He’s not stealing Sandler’s act or whoever did it first. Norm couldn’t tag Rogan or gain anything when Hannibal had similar material in 2012 so it’s all oh well.

This is sooo dumb, the strumming pattern is similar but the chord structure is way different.. do you not have ears? Hinchcliff stole that joke almost word for word.

Cobain said “It was such a clichéd riff. It was so close to a Boston riff or ‘Louie Louie.’” in regards to ISLTS and “I was basically trying to rip off the Pixies. I have to admit it.” for Nevermind. Grohl said he stole the drums. The jokes aren’t close to word for word + the view points are different. Chip Franklin was joking about shallow graves in 1990. Norm Macdonald didn’t steal from Chip and Tony didn’t steal from Norm.

Keep telling that to yourself.. it's obvious to nearly everyone else.. bug I understand you have a fan page to maintain

@KT_Commenter Not to defend either, but Come As You Are is a ripoff of Killing Joke ‘Eighties’ which is a ripoff of The Damned ‘Life Goes On’

@KT_Commenter That's a solid example.. that riff is very similar, Even though kurt turned it into a whole new song with his melody.. hinchcliff definitely stole that joke near word for word and added nothing original

Yeah, this nigga is retarded. Don’t know how anyone watches those dumbass videos. He just repeats bullshit over and over again never getting to any actual point.

It’s well produced in the style of First 48 which can do the show in 15 minutes instead of 60.

Exactly. Just drags his one point to get his views, but everyone else is the grifter.

Tony did actually steal Norm's joke though. Everyone watched Norm's special *everyone* and it's the same joke.

Nate nabbed it from Tony who took it off Norm who stole it from Chip Franklin. Much the same Lana Del Ray stole from Radiohead who plagiarized The Hollies. But Hugh Grant said that in 2024’s The Heretic so even if you knew about it before hand it doesn’t matter. You learned it from the movie we all saw.

if this is a joke it's hilariously convoluted funny & well done. I knew the bit from Norm's special, because like I said, we all saw Norms special. If Tony didn't see it, it's his time to come out a-la Spacey and say he's gay, because only faggots didn't watch Norms special

Look at Sublime. Still one of my fav bands. They stood on the shoulders of giants, now they have bands who stand on theirs.

Didn’t know about this but right there with you. Really enjoy their sound. Will look for a YouTube mini doc on this.

I’m sure there is one. He was dead 2 months before his first major album. He was just doing what he loved. (Heroin). But yeah, same thing the 60’s British rock wave did with American blues.

Listen to Eighties by Killing Joke. Its a sped up version of Come As You Are. Kurt definitely took a lot of inspirations from his music heroes. In fact, that was how Butch Vig got Kurt to go along with his ideas. He would tell him "Lennon did this" and Kurt was on board.

31 years ago Todd Rundgren was talking about the difficulty to create new content. “Hollywood has run out of ideas” some guy said in the comments like 100m other people but he can’t come up with a new idea for a film either. Probably why Kill Tony is so enjoyable. Every week there’s 12 or so people and just maybe going to see someone do comedy in a new way or tell a joke that’s been sitting on the shelf for 50 years.

Kurt knew they were bought and paid for rip offs. That’s why they killed him. And why he hated playing the songs. Sounded good at first to get your own stuff out but when they stone wall your own creativity you will lose your mind

Just read about David Geffen who was the record label for Nevermind. Going to be a deep rabbit hole tonight.

Tony sucks Nirvana sucks

No way is there Kill Tony fanpages lol

The opening riff to heart shaped box is a king crimson riff. Cobain and grohl are hacks

even more, "come as you are" by nirvana is a rip off from Killing Joke - Eighties. take a listen.

The kind of observation an uncreative person makes.

Straight up used Killing Joke’s 80’s song bassline for the basis of Come as You Are. They actually got sued

Dave Grohl also stole his Prince cover Darling Nikki from Apocalypse Hoboken

You forgot "Come As You Are" being a rip off of "Eighties" by Killing Joke. Which itself rips off "Life Goes On" by The Damned.

Only Smells Like Teen Spirit was used in the video being referenced so it was the only one used for the post. Nothing was forgotten.

Teen Spirit riff is I IV bIII bVI More than a felling is I IV vi V Louie Louie is I IV v IV

He actually took the beat from Budgies playing on Banshees songs. He just said that to impress black people.

You are retarded.

Until jokes are treated as IP, "joke stealing" is the emptiest, most meaningless complaint you could possibly make. Jokes are not property. No one owns them.

IP is a great way to put it. Vanilla Ice stole from David Bowie. Buck Cherry didn’t steal from Hall & Oates.

The only person Tony should be concerned about accusing him of stealing Norm MacDonald's joke is Norm MacDonald. Because he's dead.

Cobain pulled shitty pop riffs from the radio and made them good, Mcdonald pulled shitty dad jokes from newspaper clippings and made them funny. Punk rock, punk comedy. They where not "original", they made nothing new. They made great art with the trash that was lying around.

The kill Tony tools and Nazis find any reason to say dumb shit these comments are sad

You love hack comedy. You probably have the shittiest taste in music, movies, art, really anything. Because you love hacky shit.

Kill Tony is defending joke stealing now? Isn’t exposing joke stealing what made the overlord very popular in the comedy sphere?

What joke did Tony steal from Norm?

Killing Joke has entered the chat

Fuck this AI bullshit

Cope

There is a big difference between riffing off and ripping off

More than a feeling is nothing like teen spirit. Literally at all. Not the rhythm, the key, the progression, the amount of chords used. My god. 😂

Yikes. This is legitimately the most ridiculous nonsense I have seen here in a while. This has to be Tony himself. No actual functioning adult does a back flip this big trying to make stealing jokes ok.