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Elon Musk: Artificial intelligence will continue to scale until we've harnessed all the energy of our galaxy. “I think we'll see intelligence continue to scale all the way up to where most of the power of the sun is harnessed for compute, and then ultimately most of the power... of the galaxy, sort of Kardashev 2, Kardashev 3 scale compute. One should think about artificial intelligence, not as a destination that you reach, but really as part of the overall escalation of intelligence that we are aware of. Human intelligence has also scaled as the population has increased and we've been able to store more and more information.” Interview at the All-In Summit, September 10, 2025show more

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