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Ever heard of Script#? Us neither, and that's probably a good thing. Anders Hejlsberg, creator of Turbo Pascal and Delphi, the lead architect of C#, and the designer of TypeScript, talks about how TypeScript came about from a need for "grown-up tooling" and the question "How can we fix... show more

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