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Evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins on how we justify the scientific method. DAWKINS: How do we justify faith that science will give us the truth? AUDIENCE: How do you justify the scientific method? DAWKINS: It works! It works. Planes fly, cars drive, computers compute. If you base medicine on science...

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~~datahazard~~1 year ago

@RichardDawkins Evidence truly is the only....evidence.

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Colin Wright1 year ago

@RichardDawkins Hard to beat!

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RealHuman1 year ago

@RichardDawkins Couldn’t we justify faith on the same grounds? When I operate in the world based on my religious morals found in the bible, I get more positive outcomes. When I operate against my religious morals, I get more negative outcomes.

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Colin Wright1 year ago

@RichardDawkins That could be a way to justify a moral system, but not "faith" per se.

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Hunter Ash1 year ago

@RichardDawkins Meta-induction is a perfectly valid argument. If people who did experiments produced nothing, while people who read holy texts could conjure rockets from thin air, I would go with the holy texts.

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Sam Rosenthal, Award Winning Online Safety EXPERT!1 year ago

@RichardDawkins I long for the days where we debated this stuff instead of debating whether women have penises.

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President Dr RollerGator MVIP PhD1 year ago

@RichardDawkins NOT SURE WHAT PHILOSOPHICAL VERSION OF SCIENCE IS BEING USED 2 TAKE CREDIT 4 ALL THESE ITEMS BUT IT SEEMS LIKE "N E THING WE DO THAT MATCHES OUR INTENT" IS NOW SCIENCE THE WAYS WE GOT A LOT OF THOSE WOULD NOT B RECOGNIZED AS SCIENTIFIC BY MOST ACCOUNTS

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Colin Wright1 year ago

@RichardDawkins Strong disagree!

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Seth Dillon1 year ago

@RichardDawkins I don't know anyone who denies that science works (least of all the believers in God who birthed modern science). But there are deep metaphysical questions about why and how it works. As Einstein put it, "The eternal mystery of the world is its comprehensibility."

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The Endless1 year ago

This is just a confused statement and it illustrates why scientists should qualify their remarks when speaking on a field outside their area of expertise, such as the justification of the scientific method. "It works, therefore, it's deliverances are true." Propaganda works. Misinformation works. Political rhetoric works. Doesn't make propaganda or misinformation or political rhetoric true.

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