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Fields Medalist Timothy Gowers: "when we solve maths problems ourselves, we understand exactly what we're doing. when we one-shot a maths problem with ChatGPT, we don't — we just stuck it in a machine" How can AI find such long, complex proofs? What algorithm is operating inside the LLM?...

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Jeffrey Dean Hochderffervor 9 Tagen

Nothing is preventing them from studying the AI results until they understand it, if they can. Progress cannot wait for them to understand. We don’t understand how 90% of things work.

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Sergio Castrovor 8 Tagen

LLMs are great at explaining things. Hook it to Blender, ask for explanation videos.

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Amy · fireply.aivor 9 Tagen

nobody asked the calculator how it works either

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Sean McClurevor 8 Tagen

No. The fact that mathematicians aren’t getting it tells us a lot.

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Freedom_Aint_Freevor 9 Tagen

Wasn't Riverside who said that "one doesn't need to understand digestion in order to appreciate a good dinner!" ?

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Rishabh Kumarvor 9 Tagen

then we ask the machine to explain 😂

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Brian Decoded - Alpha Efficiency.™vor 9 Tagen

bro is envious

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Logan Gabrielvor 9 Tagen

I don’t care the exact details of how warp drive works - as long as it works - nerds can take hundreds of years to refine our understanding while we go explore the stars

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Xia Livor 9 Tagen

@grok what algorithms had been deployed to generate the candidates solutions and verify via LEAN and feedback verification results and improve and generate new candidates solutions?

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Simo | ai-costguardvor 9 Tagen

Long proofs aren't a search algorithm. They're learned representations under pressure

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William Zhuvor 8 Tagen

New talk from Terence Tao yesterday:

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Biscuitvor 9 Tagen

at least in math you can check every step

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Ludovicus D.vor 8 Tagen

All these Fields medalists so-called great mathematicians are revealing themselves hopelessly clueless in front of AI. They have no idea about how&why it works. They don't know how to use it. They don't know what to do next. They look pathetic.

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Gillvor 8 Tagen

Verification being trivial while proof discovery feels uninterpretable is classic math.

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Wanderer of the Starsvor 9 Tagen

It really won’t matter we don’t understand how it did it. The future will be AI building on top of AI without humans in the loop.

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Konstantinvor 9 Tagen

When he states his assumptions, it is categorically incorrect to use the word "we." It would be correct to use the pronoun "I." Just because he doesn't understand, it doesn't mean that no one else understands!

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Lemurinusvor 8 Tagen

I am a mathematician and for many years I have been saying that these "geniuses" are the dumbest people in the world. Finally, the world can see it with its own eyes.

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BaloonedWallabohevor 8 Tagen

These guys act like humans didn’t use fire before understanding it. Or oxygen. Or gravity.

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j363jvor 8 Tagen

Prompt an AI reasoning model for help with understanding.

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Dominikvor 8 Tagen

does the machine show its steps, or only the finished proof?

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Sly Sylowvor 9 Tagen

Tim is the goat 🐐.

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TheMCDStudiovor 9 Tagen

Some of the math papers contain math that is SI thinking 'outside the box'. That is the point, SI is discovering new 'alien' maths as solutions. Mathematicians would do well to try to learn it. It will help them grow in math comprehension. Posing the problems is still the job.

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Chahat Sharmavor 9 Tagen

does the full talk say which of the summer proofs he went through line by line himself? the clip makes it sound like even he is taking some of them on trust

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Steve Scully For US Presidentvor 8 Tagen

By making shit up and it being proclaimed in an impossible-to-review manner of a huge dump like a lawyer trying to hide evidence in bulk frivolous shit

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Jatin Gargvor 9 Tagen

@haider1 the harder question is what happens when the machine gives you a proof that looks complete but has a subtle flaw. how do you catch it without understanding each step?

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lio khivor 8 Tagen

The same when reading the proof of transcendance of Pi by Lindemann ..

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Inverse Gary Marcus ⏫vor 8 Tagen

Sounds like a good job for mathematicians!

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Bvor 9 Tagen

Software devs went through the same phase. The gains come when you realize that you should be driving the AI and not the other way around. Until then, he's right. You're just creating slop.

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ChrisvGvor 8 Tagen

People like him will only become more irrelevant as time passes and the models improve even more.

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Chey Lovedayvor 8 Tagen

2 diff Qs: - why did an LLM produce a proof - why does it work? fThe irst remains open. We pin sources/assumptions, replay certificates & check Lean 4; then use interpolation, counterexamples, premise ablation and proof-transfer maps to investigate why proofs work or fail.

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夏日遐想vor 8 Tagen

大脑如何工作,这个问题也未解决。DNN和大脑都属于复杂结构的范畴。

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Alejandro Estayvor 8 Tagen

Is not an algorithm, is just picking strings of may-be-related text and refining it. It cannot understsnd the proof it writes.

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CharlesGPhDvor 9 Tagen

More than that, when a LLM tells us "your proof is wrong", it doesn't understand. It's not checking all the reasoning. So it's fumbling. Not quite hallucinating, but not understanding. When you prove something, you have that intricate understanding.

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