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Fields Medalist Timothy Gowers: "when we solve maths problems ourselves, we understand exactly what we're doing. when we one-shot a maths problem with ChatGPT, we don't — we just stuck it in a machine" How can AI find such long, complex proofs? What algorithm is operating inside the LLM?...

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Фото профиля Jeffrey Dean Hochderffer
Jeffrey Dean Hochderffer11 дней назад

Nothing is preventing them from studying the AI results until they understand it, if they can. Progress cannot wait for them to understand. We don’t understand how 90% of things work.

Фото профиля Sergio Castro
Sergio Castro11 дней назад

LLMs are great at explaining things. Hook it to Blender, ask for explanation videos.

Фото профиля Amy · fireply.ai
Amy · fireply.ai11 дней назад

nobody asked the calculator how it works either

Фото профиля Sean McClure
Sean McClure11 дней назад

No. The fact that mathematicians aren’t getting it tells us a lot.

Фото профиля Freedom_Aint_Free
Freedom_Aint_Free11 дней назад

Wasn't Riverside who said that "one doesn't need to understand digestion in order to appreciate a good dinner!" ?

Фото профиля Rishabh Kumar
Rishabh Kumar11 дней назад

then we ask the machine to explain 😂

Фото профиля Brian Decoded - Alpha Efficiency.™
Brian Decoded - Alpha Efficiency.™11 дней назад

bro is envious

Фото профиля Logan Gabriel
Logan Gabriel11 дней назад

I don’t care the exact details of how warp drive works - as long as it works - nerds can take hundreds of years to refine our understanding while we go explore the stars

Фото профиля Xia Li
Xia Li11 дней назад

@grok what algorithms had been deployed to generate the candidates solutions and verify via LEAN and feedback verification results and improve and generate new candidates solutions?

Фото профиля Simo | ai-costguard
Simo | ai-costguard11 дней назад

Long proofs aren't a search algorithm. They're learned representations under pressure

Фото профиля William Zhu
William Zhu11 дней назад

New talk from Terence Tao yesterday:

Фото профиля Biscuit
Biscuit11 дней назад

at least in math you can check every step

Фото профиля Ludovicus D.
Ludovicus D.11 дней назад

All these Fields medalists so-called great mathematicians are revealing themselves hopelessly clueless in front of AI. They have no idea about how&why it works. They don't know how to use it. They don't know what to do next. They look pathetic.

Фото профиля Gill
Gill11 дней назад

Verification being trivial while proof discovery feels uninterpretable is classic math.

Фото профиля Wanderer of the Stars
Wanderer of the Stars11 дней назад

It really won’t matter we don’t understand how it did it. The future will be AI building on top of AI without humans in the loop.

Фото профиля Konstantin
Konstantin11 дней назад

When he states his assumptions, it is categorically incorrect to use the word "we." It would be correct to use the pronoun "I." Just because he doesn't understand, it doesn't mean that no one else understands!

Фото профиля Lemurinus
Lemurinus11 дней назад

I am a mathematician and for many years I have been saying that these "geniuses" are the dumbest people in the world. Finally, the world can see it with its own eyes.

Фото профиля BaloonedWallabohe
BaloonedWallabohe10 дней назад

These guys act like humans didn’t use fire before understanding it. Or oxygen. Or gravity.

Фото профиля j363j
j363j11 дней назад

Prompt an AI reasoning model for help with understanding.

Фото профиля Dominik
Dominik11 дней назад

does the machine show its steps, or only the finished proof?

Фото профиля Sly Sylow
Sly Sylow11 дней назад

Tim is the goat 🐐.

Фото профиля TheMCDStudio
TheMCDStudio11 дней назад

Some of the math papers contain math that is SI thinking 'outside the box'. That is the point, SI is discovering new 'alien' maths as solutions. Mathematicians would do well to try to learn it. It will help them grow in math comprehension. Posing the problems is still the job.

Фото профиля Chahat Sharma
Chahat Sharma11 дней назад

does the full talk say which of the summer proofs he went through line by line himself? the clip makes it sound like even he is taking some of them on trust

Фото профиля Steve Scully For US President
Steve Scully For US President11 дней назад

By making shit up and it being proclaimed in an impossible-to-review manner of a huge dump like a lawyer trying to hide evidence in bulk frivolous shit

Фото профиля Jatin Garg
Jatin Garg11 дней назад

@haider1 the harder question is what happens when the machine gives you a proof that looks complete but has a subtle flaw. how do you catch it without understanding each step?

Фото профиля lio khi
lio khi11 дней назад

The same when reading the proof of transcendance of Pi by Lindemann ..

Фото профиля Inverse Gary Marcus ⏫
Inverse Gary Marcus ⏫10 дней назад

Sounds like a good job for mathematicians!

Фото профиля B
B11 дней назад

Software devs went through the same phase. The gains come when you realize that you should be driving the AI and not the other way around. Until then, he's right. You're just creating slop.

Фото профиля ChrisvG
ChrisvG11 дней назад

People like him will only become more irrelevant as time passes and the models improve even more.

Фото профиля Chey Loveday
Chey Loveday11 дней назад

2 diff Qs: - why did an LLM produce a proof - why does it work? fThe irst remains open. We pin sources/assumptions, replay certificates & check Lean 4; then use interpolation, counterexamples, premise ablation and proof-transfer maps to investigate why proofs work or fail.

Фото профиля 夏日遐想
夏日遐想11 дней назад

大脑如何工作,这个问题也未解决。DNN和大脑都属于复杂结构的范畴。

Фото профиля Alejandro Estay
Alejandro Estay11 дней назад

Is not an algorithm, is just picking strings of may-be-related text and refining it. It cannot understsnd the proof it writes.

Фото профиля CharlesGPhD
CharlesGPhD11 дней назад

More than that, when a LLM tells us "your proof is wrong", it doesn't understand. It's not checking all the reasoning. So it's fumbling. Not quite hallucinating, but not understanding. When you prove something, you have that intricate understanding.

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