For a while I think a lot of us worried WoW Forever would be solved before it even came out. Five days into beta now and 10,877 mages have built 7,862 different builds on and the most copied one is 377 people. Theorycrafting is back and it's just so fun.

Xaryu, Venruki and Ziqo did a WoW Forever mage council on stream today, like two hours on one tree, going back and forth on what's viable and what the class might still need. Kinda cool that we get to figure this stuff out for ourselves again.

So go figure yours out. Leveling build, pvp build, pve build, whatever you're working on. It's all on every talent and rank straight from the beta files, and you get a link to share when you're done.

whole thing on youtube too, with a bit of the council in it

and now it's in the game. beta still, help me get it right before launch

Mage + skinning + leatherworking, is currently at the top build for World First because of the xp buff you get with a Leatherworking SkillLvl 20 item called "Camp Tent"(5%xp buff). And skinning will make you gold from all the laying around dead beasts which then you can just buy your upgraded gear in the AH. No dungeon grind or dungeon gear needed. It will all be for sale in the AH. #solved

Well there we have it. Games over

Throwing random talents blindly isn’t creating a build. At max level ppl will have the same build, and there will be leveling guides for talents as well.

the LAMEST LAME LAME thing you could ever do in WoW is the Min max 1 build is ONLY build Guild leaders, and Raids that FORCE players into 1 singular mindset, for like 5 more DPS points, is the stupidest shit ever LET PEOPLE PLAY AND HAVE FUN Content is always won, no min max!

Yeah I mean that’s the primary message. It’s to figure out what you’d like to play and there’s no standard build

Absolutely love the website! its sickkk

Ty Pico 🙏 a lot more in the oven for you guys too!!

This is what happens when you only care about "stats". You lose creativity.

I think that’s the beauty in where we’re at in the timeline right now for WoW Forever. Everyone is forced to be creative! There is no figured it out yet.

I like the positivity but I'm pretty sure this data means pretty much nothing. People could put 0 talent points in right now and it makes little difference. People will always go pretty much cookie cutter at max level.

For sure but hey gotta enjoy the moments we’re in while we have them

Yeah I don't know about that one chief, there's going to be a handful of real builds just like every other era of WoW and Blizzard ain't really the type to allow a lot of outside the box thinking with how restrictive they make builds, but it's a cool website.

Of course there’s no doubt about it but for these beginning moments of the game’s timeline we get to theorycraft again a little bit! Thats the only point I’m trying to make with this one. Really do appreciate the kind comment on the website too.

And damn what you gotta whip the chief comment out on me 😭

bu kadar çok olması iyi.. poe2 gibi sadece 20-30 kişinin build ürettiği bir oyun olmaması mükemmel

many don’t see this as a marketing post but it’s actually incredible one

Farming those $5 coffee donations 😃

Data shit like this makes me hard af

Got a fun one for you then

I do not hate retail but everything is so cookie cutter right now. Nothing matters because for the most part you can face roll anything, unless you care about mythic+ and the current community is so toxic to it's own players. We all need to relax and enjoy the game.

Wow forever should be a great game to relax and enjoy the game to

Oh it's chill AF. I hope retail will learn from this to be honest. The profession rework and camping feature for one is something they would never do in retail but it fits the game so well.

Curious on what your dev process was like in making wow forever. It was spun up so quickly and when I saw the wrapped feature I was like dayum.

I wish I had a good answer for you but it’s all over the place. I just dabble in every single new AI model / tool / harness there is and try things. Sometimes it’s good & sometimes it’s shit 😄

@MeanseasonGames love this

@MeanseasonGames Ty! 🙏

loving the site, it’s my go-to beta resource thanks for the hard work!

Love to hear that Mike! Ty. Happy to be able to help too!

That's the most retarded shit I've ever heard thanks

I'm definitely lvling a 0/29/22 frostfire/melee mage at some point

377 mages sharing one brain cell and still managing 7,862 versions-sounds like my digital pet starving because I keep “optimizing” its feeding schedule. Some habits never die.

Still needs more choices in builds imo.

That’s what a lot of the convo was about today on their stream

Watched three dudes (content creators) for 1.5h talk about how the mage is kinda bad designed and is lacking in a lot of areas

I'm doing UD pala, and I personally use presute of justice over seal of command.. mich more fun pvp experience when you can catch up to people who get some distance from you.

I'd love to see a talent progression by level: what talent you should unlock at every level, and change the order if you prefer another available talent for that level -btw the site is amazing

It’s because it’s a fun meta game that makes the game, figuring out an optimal build. Somewhere along the way Blizzard thought people wanted an “on rails” experience that was differentiated by play style preference, lucky loot drops, and time invested. This was a grave error.

Theorycrafting is an imaginary larp concept. There’s always a mathematically highest dps build, it’s just reality. You can fight it all you want but every type of fight will have best build, it’s not possible to design a game without this unless you radically change everything.

Any chance you release a detailed documentation on your workflow for creating that side and data handling? Would be really interesting to learn about it as an ai usecase.

This all ends as soon as people actually start simming lol

Bring back Elitist Jerks!

let me correct you there "wow forever got no hard content where it matters what you do so everyone just plays whatever" if there would be anything like mythic raiding or mythic + someone would figure out whats best and everyone would copy it

Absolut 0 Bedeutung! Pünktlich zum Release gibt's Guides für alles mögliche...

No guides on this post. Just sharing some data for fun is all

It's lvl 20 and beta bro

I’m aware, just for fun man

I actually misread what you had written in the post, my bad

All good! 💙

I mean we only have up to lvl 20 and leveling builds can go in may directions once we get people to 60 in live version of the game meta build will be found day one

This is a bit of a load of shit, and we all know it. People are clicking on skills to see changed, there aren't 7.862 different Mage builds in WoW Forever that Mage players are contemplating. My god.