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Great conversation, legendary engineer Young Guru debates with Timbaland about the future of AI, Timbo launched a new AI artist & company "Jay at 27 years old for Reasonable Doubt is different than a Jay-Z on a 4:44, but if I were to left up to AI, and yall...

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SOUND | Victor Baez1 year ago

Young Guru makes Timbaland address whether his AI is being trained off the music of new independent artists he encounters/works with "I can't train I don't own the company to do the training data..."

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TalentedKamarty1 year ago

What they gotta stop doing is comparing drone shooting & the car making industry to making music lol creativity & artistic taste is sooo all over the damn place, you'll never be satisfied with JUST A.I. music. Your gonna venture out n look for that human that's doing shit too. We get bored as humans. We quick to say some shit is played out 😂, we quick to call pple legends n GOATs. We r a flimsy ass people lol what we like today we might not fuck wit like that tomorrow & A.I. will not be able to keep up with our flimsy ass taste lol

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