He destroyed his argument‼️

No. You’re just confused because you don’t know what words mean. Pride and guilt aren’t the same and not even opposites.

Watching his brain get scrambled and the stutters multiply is delicious. Thank you for posting this.

Medhi’s nonsense only sounds compelling to dim-witted individuals that lack the ability to think critically.

To feel guilty is to be condemned. Mehdi is notorious for cheap mid brained arguments that sound good superficially but crumble under just the tiniest bit of scrutiny..

Watch the Cognitive Dissonance hit him over and over again. 🤣🤡

Pride and Guilt are not opposites. That was a false choice. You can be proud of your ancestors defeat of Nazi Germany, but you can’t take credit for it because you didn’t do it. You can also lament what some people did to profit from slavery, but you can’t be blamed for it.

That’s not what happened at all. He didn’t give him a chance to make a full statement and then jumped in with a different question to throw him off. I’m black and I don’t expect anyone alive today to reimburse me for slavery . If you do then how far do you want to go back? Every nation creed culture race has blood in their history.

Taking pride for ancestors (acknowledging their achievement) is similar to passing judgement. You can judge them for wrongdoings, but you can not feel guilty for it yourself. Simple logic.

I find it insulting that a Muslim would interrogate a European about the transatlantic slave trade without showing contrition for the Arab slave trade.

But Arabs enslaved and castrate so much more over a thousand years.

That pos @mehdirhasan takes pride in his fellow Muslims murdering people and committing terrorist attacks. In fact he wants it to happen again.

This clip is proof that Mehdi Hassan was even kind to Daniel Bwala. 😭😂

Remember they always find a way to justify the evil of their ancestors

The flaw in Hassan’s argument is that “guilt” and “pride” aren’t antonyms. The opposite of “pride” is “shame”, which I think we should all feel about slavery…but doesn’t mean I’m liable or guilty for what someone else did. Same applies for the family of criminals who feel shame for being associated with him/her but can’t be held responsible for his crimes.

It’s not your guilt nor your shame to carry. You can sympathize with the actions taken by your ancestors but you are not guilty of what they did. What are they trying to accomplish here?

@Ecnerwal23 This is great but, it only works on people who are A) smart enough to understand a premise, even their own. Also, B) willing to change their point of view. Unfortunately, here in america we’re dealing with a base of people who are incapable of both A and B.

Who captured and sold the slaves in Africa? Hint, it was Africans.

Bro was trying to think of bs real fast im never see such a better checkmate

No. Mehdi's argument is silly, because it's a fallacy of equivocation, because "Pride" and "Guilt" are not the same kind of word, and they are not used in the same way in the two cases. Pride is an entirely subjective experience of a feeling. You can feel it for yourself and your own action, but you can also feel it vicariously. Guilt isn't just a feeling - it's a statement of objective fact about reality. You are guilty or not guilty of a crime dependent on whether you committed it, irrespective of whether you feel any remorse. You can see the error by flipping the analogy back around the other way. Does Mehdi Hasan feel pride in his children if they do well? Of course he does. If one of his children committed a crime is he suggesting he should stand trial in court alongside them and be found guilty too and go to prison with them? I would assume not.

Only a leftist progressive loser would watch this and think this was a “gotcha” moment.

This is an important legal argument. You cannot get charged for a crime, your ancestors. Also slavery was supplied by African kings. Africa trades slaves today to Islamic nations. As for WWII, it was much closer in timeline, most likely the theologians parents generation participated in the war. But these same people did not have slaves. Mehdi never uses this argument to attack those marrying child brides to follow in the footsteps of Prophet Muhammad. This is convenient win. If you are ever on Mehdi’s show remember he is a world class Islamist and is always gonna try to get you.

Oh god. Your attempt to justify Hasan’s revolting attack is truly pathetic. There’s false equivalence a mile wide in his metaphor. And this kind of thinking will get you killed and end your nation. As it’s doing right now. The suicidal culture of the white leftist British female is truly something to behold. God help you.

Utter garbage. You can feel pride for what your country did, as well as feel ashamed for anything it did wrong. The United Kingdom also ended slavery. The country was still paying the debt back from till recently, so some of us were literally paying for it. I read Hassan’s book. It was absolutely not compelling, and his arguments were cheap and petty, just like yours.

Your great grand father stole $3000 when he was 16 when do you want to report to jail?

You want me, us, to feel guilty about slavery? Absolutely not. I can feel regret for it happening, I can feel empathy towards those it happened to, and I can feel sorry…..guilty? Fuck that.

Medhi is the ultimate final boss of leftist debate bros

This presumes you believe guilt and pride are of the same scale. They are not. Guilt is the opposite of innocence, and in this context, the opposite of pride is shame. Both Mehdi, and you, can be disregarded outright.

This is a crazy take on that debate. He kept on interrupting him and changing the question. He didn’t give him a chance to respond to what he was asking. The keyword is guilt. Guilt implies that you are responsible for the action. Period. You can feel pride for something about your heritage without necessarily being responsible for what happened.

You're wrong. Someone today is not responsible for a 200 year old policy. Pride at a past national victory is different from taking responsibility for it. We don't give everyone who is glad we beat the Nazis a war medal.

She’s an idiot and anyone that feels guilt for things they didn’t do.

But he still lost. Guilt is not the antithesis of pride or admiration. So everything you just said is wrong.

I think you do not understand the English language or the meaning it's like putting a twist on words you cannot be responsible for something you did not do if your sister killed somebody are you responsible should you go to jail. Africans were not the only slaves

You can feel collective pride, but you can’t take credit. You can recognize that something was bad, without feeling guilt. You can be glad your ancestors recognized that the global practice of slavery was wrong; and ended it. But again you can’t take credit. Can we talk about current human trafficking & slavery? Who’s doing it now and should they feel guilty for what they themselves are doing?

It’s a category error. We are pround of our kids for something we don’t do. He takes pride FOR his parents for WWII. He isn’t saying he is proud of himself for WWII. Guilt assumes being guilty. This is semantic gotcha. This lady things this is a big win. It isn’t.

B!tch you’re on an iPhone right now. Are you guilty of enslaving an African child to mine the cobalt and lithium? Or the Chinese child forced to make the components? 🙄