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Here's my 5-hour conversation with Dylan Patel and Nathan Lambert on DeepSeek, China, OpenAI, NVIDIA, xAI, Google, Anthropic, Meta, Microsoft, TSMC, Stargate, megacluster buildouts, RL, reasoning, and a lot of other topics at the cutting edge of AI. This is was a mind-blowing, super-technical, and fun conversation. Yes, we... discuss r1 and o3-mini, but more importantly we look into the future of technology, geopolitics, and humanity in a world that stands on the precipice of a global AI revolution. The first 4 hours are here on X (4 hours is current limit), and the full 5 hours are up everywhere else. Links in comment. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 3:33 - DeepSeek-R1 and DeepSeek-V3 25:07 - Low cost of training 51:25 - DeepSeek compute cluster 58:57 - Export controls on GPUs to China 1:09:16 - AGI timeline 1:18:41 - China's manufacturing capacity 1:26:36 - Cold war with China 1:31:05 - TSMC and Taiwan 1:54:44 - Best GPUs for AI 2:09:36 - Why DeepSeek is so cheap 2:22:55 - Espionage 2:31:57 - Censorship 2:44:52 - Andrej Karpathy and magic of RL 2:55:23 - OpenAI o3-mini vs DeepSeek r1 3:14:31 - NVIDIA 3:18:58 - GPU smuggling 3:25:36 - DeepSeek training on OpenAI data 3:36:04 - AI megaclusters 4:11:26 - Who wins the race to AGI? 4:21:39 - AI agents 4:30:21 - Programming and AI 4:37:49 - Open source 4:47:01 - Stargate 4:54:30 - Future of AIshow more

Lex Fridman

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Lex Fridman1 year ago

Here's the links for my 5-hour conversation on the future of AI with @dylan522p and @natolambert: YouTube: Spotify: Podcast:

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Ben Averbook1 year ago

@dylan522p @natolambert Quite excited. Would love more AI content as that is your specialty. Obviously continuing doing history and philosophy as well. Keep it up.👍

Shield1 year ago

@dylan522p @natolambert Interesting

Ryan James1 year ago

@dylan522p @natolambert THANK YOU LEX AND TEAM

Doge Daredevil1 year ago

@dylan522p @natolambert Your talk about AI innovations was super mind-blowing, would love to hear what you think about the potential for decentralisation in AI! Have you seen what @ThreeProtocol is doing with AI in decentralized marketplaces? It's a real shift from centralisaion.

Petr Baudis1 year ago

@dylan522p @natolambert I *was* holding out hope for the @teortaxesTex guest hype. Oh well! Still pretty good. (Where to get 5 hours now, though.)

Yuchen Jin1 year ago

@dylan522p @natolambert listening, but this picture of Liang Wenfeng is wrong.....

Ernesto1 year ago

@dylan522p @natolambert Great lex.

Donnie_Tesla1 year ago

@dylan522p @natolambert Let's watch

👑SAKZ1 year ago

@dylan522p @natolambert Wow!

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2,052,425 views • 5 months ago

Here's my conversation with ThePrimeagen, a programmer who has educated, entertained, and inspired millions of people to build software and have fun doing it. It's here on X in full, and is up everywhere else too (see comment). Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 0:42 - Love for programming 10:15 - Hardest part of programming 12:31 - Types of programming 20:08 - Life story 30:12 - Hardship 31:44 - High school 37:30 - Porn addiction 47:16 - God 1:02:59 - Perseverance 1:12:55 - Netflix 1:25:23 - Groovy 1:30:27 - Printf() debugging 1:36:49 - Falcor 1:46:19 - Breaking production 1:49:04 - Pieter Levels 1:53:34 - Netflix, Twitch, and YouTube infrastructure 2:05:36 - ThePrimeagen origin story 2:20:52 - Learning programming languages 2:29:55 - Best programming languages in 2025 2:34:50 - Python 2:35:30 - HTML & CSS 2:36:20 - Bash 2:37:00 - FFmpeg 2:43:42 - Performance 2:46:15 - Rust 2:51:03 - Epic projects 3:04:27 - Asserts 3:13:41 - ADHD 3:21:49 - Productivity 3:26:13 - Programming setup 4:01:43 - Coffee 4:08:47 - Programming with AI 4:51:31 - Advice for young programmers 5:03:03 - Reddit questions 5:10:35 - God

Here's my conversation with ThePrimeagen, a programmer who has educated, entertained, and inspired millions of people to build software and have fun doing it. It's here on X in full, and is up everywhere else too (see comment). Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 0:42 - Love for programming 10:15 - Hardest part of programming 12:31 - Types of programming 20:08 - Life story 30:12 - Hardship 31:44 - High school 37:30 - Porn addiction 47:16 - God 1:02:59 - Perseverance 1:12:55 - Netflix 1:25:23 - Groovy 1:30:27 - Printf() debugging 1:36:49 - Falcor 1:46:19 - Breaking production 1:49:04 - Pieter Levels 1:53:34 - Netflix, Twitch, and YouTube infrastructure 2:05:36 - ThePrimeagen origin story 2:20:52 - Learning programming languages 2:29:55 - Best programming languages in 2025 2:34:50 - Python 2:35:30 - HTML & CSS 2:36:20 - Bash 2:37:00 - FFmpeg 2:43:42 - Performance 2:46:15 - Rust 2:51:03 - Epic projects 3:04:27 - Asserts 3:13:41 - ADHD 3:21:49 - Productivity 3:26:13 - Programming setup 4:01:43 - Coffee 4:08:47 - Programming with AI 4:51:31 - Advice for young programmers 5:03:03 - Reddit questions 5:10:35 - God

Lex Fridman

1,135,502 views • 1 year ago

Here's my conversation with Elon Musk, his 4th time on the podcast. We talk about war & peace, AI, physics, politics, video games, and the future of humanity. This is episode 400 of the podcast. It's been an incredible journey. I'm grateful to Elon for his friendship, and I'm grateful for all the kindness and love I've gotten from folks along the way. I love you all! ❤ Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 0:07 - War and human nature 4:33 - Israel-Hamas war 10:41 - Military-Industrial Complex 14:58 - War in Ukraine 19:41 - China 33:57 - xAI Grok 44:55 - Aliens 52:55 - God 55:22 - Diablo 4 and video games 1:04:29 - Dystopian worlds: 1984 and Brave New World 1:10:41 - AI and useful compute per watt 1:16:22 - AI regulation 1:23:14 - Should AI be open-sourced? 1:30:36 - X algorithm 1:41:57 - 2024 presidential elections 1:54:55 - Politics 1:57:57 - Trust 2:03:29 - Tesla's Autopilot and Optimus robot 2:12:28 - Hardships

Here's my conversation with Elon Musk, his 4th time on the podcast. We talk about war & peace, AI, physics, politics, video games, and the future of humanity. This is episode 400 of the podcast. It's been an incredible journey. I'm grateful to Elon for his friendship, and I'm grateful for all the kindness and love I've gotten from folks along the way. I love you all! ❤ Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 0:07 - War and human nature 4:33 - Israel-Hamas war 10:41 - Military-Industrial Complex 14:58 - War in Ukraine 19:41 - China 33:57 - xAI Grok 44:55 - Aliens 52:55 - God 55:22 - Diablo 4 and video games 1:04:29 - Dystopian worlds: 1984 and Brave New World 1:10:41 - AI and useful compute per watt 1:16:22 - AI regulation 1:23:14 - Should AI be open-sourced? 1:30:36 - X algorithm 1:41:57 - 2024 presidential elections 1:54:55 - Politics 1:57:57 - Trust 2:03:29 - Tesla's Autopilot and Optimus robot 2:12:28 - Hardships

Lex Fridman

36,630,530 views • 2 years ago

Here's my 4-hour conversation with Marc Andreessen (Marc Andreessen 🇺🇸), where we discuss a positive vision for the future of America, given the many challenges we face. We talk about the state of the tech industry, the heated AI race, immigration, power & corruption in politics, and of course, most importantly, the critical role of humor and memes to the progress of human civilization. It's here on X in full, and is up everywhere else too. Links in comment. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 1:09 - Best possible future 10:32 - History of Western Civilization 19:51 - Trump in 2025 27:32 - TDS in tech 40:19 - Preference falsification 56:15 - Self-censorship 1:11:18 - Censorship 1:19:57 - Jon Stewart 1:22:43 - Mark Zuckerberg on Joe Rogan 1:31:32 - Government pressure 1:42:19 - Nature of power 1:55:08 - Journalism 2:00:43 - Bill Ackman 2:05:40 - Trump administration 2:13:19 - DOGE 2:27:11 - H1B and immigration 3:05:05 - Little tech 3:17:25 - AI race 3:26:15 - X 3:29:47 - Yann LeCun 3:33:21 - Andrew Huberman 3:34:53 - Success 3:37:49 - God and humanity

Here's my 4-hour conversation with Marc Andreessen (Marc Andreessen 🇺🇸), where we discuss a positive vision for the future of America, given the many challenges we face. We talk about the state of the tech industry, the heated AI race, immigration, power & corruption in politics, and of course, most importantly, the critical role of humor and memes to the progress of human civilization. It's here on X in full, and is up everywhere else too. Links in comment. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 1:09 - Best possible future 10:32 - History of Western Civilization 19:51 - Trump in 2025 27:32 - TDS in tech 40:19 - Preference falsification 56:15 - Self-censorship 1:11:18 - Censorship 1:19:57 - Jon Stewart 1:22:43 - Mark Zuckerberg on Joe Rogan 1:31:32 - Government pressure 1:42:19 - Nature of power 1:55:08 - Journalism 2:00:43 - Bill Ackman 2:05:40 - Trump administration 2:13:19 - DOGE 2:27:11 - H1B and immigration 3:05:05 - Little tech 3:17:25 - AI race 3:26:15 - X 3:29:47 - Yann LeCun 3:33:21 - Andrew Huberman 3:34:53 - Success 3:37:49 - God and humanity

Lex Fridman

812,886 views • 1 year ago

Here's my conversation with Jack Weatherford all about Genghis Khan and the Mongol Empire. He is the author of Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World and many other books on the Mongol Empire. This was a truly fascinating conversation! It's here on X in full and is up everywhere else (see comment). Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 0:56 - Origin story of Genghis Khan 42:42 - Early battles & conquests 55:23 - Power 57:45 - Secret History 1:11:10 - Mongolian steppe 1:14:27 - Mounted archery and horse-riding 1:22:48 - Genghis Khan's army 1:39:00 - Military tactics and strategy 1:51:24 - Wars of conquest 1:55:48 - Dan Carlin 2:05:49 - Religious freedom 2:21:36 - Trade and the Silk Road 2:30:21 - Weapons innovation 2:31:52 - Kublai Khan and conquering China 3:13:43 - Fall of the Mongol Empire 3:40:38 - Genetic legacy 3:50:32 - Lessons from Genghis Khan 4:00:48 - Human nature 4:03:58 - Visiting Mongolia 4:23:27 - Lex: Dan Carlin 4:26:17 - Lex: Gaza

Here's my conversation with Jack Weatherford all about Genghis Khan and the Mongol Empire. He is the author of Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World and many other books on the Mongol Empire. This was a truly fascinating conversation! It's here on X in full and is up everywhere else (see comment). Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 0:56 - Origin story of Genghis Khan 42:42 - Early battles & conquests 55:23 - Power 57:45 - Secret History 1:11:10 - Mongolian steppe 1:14:27 - Mounted archery and horse-riding 1:22:48 - Genghis Khan's army 1:39:00 - Military tactics and strategy 1:51:24 - Wars of conquest 1:55:48 - Dan Carlin 2:05:49 - Religious freedom 2:21:36 - Trade and the Silk Road 2:30:21 - Weapons innovation 2:31:52 - Kublai Khan and conquering China 3:13:43 - Fall of the Mongol Empire 3:40:38 - Genetic legacy 3:50:32 - Lessons from Genghis Khan 4:00:48 - Human nature 4:03:58 - Visiting Mongolia 4:23:27 - Lex: Dan Carlin 4:26:17 - Lex: Gaza

Lex Fridman

738,686 views • 11 months ago

Here's my conversation with Roman Yampolskiy (Dr. Roman Yampolskiy), AI safety researcher who believes that the chance of AGI eventually destroying human civilization is 99.9999%. I will continue to chat with many AI researchers & engineers, most of whom put p(doom) at <20%, but it's important to balance those technical conversations by understanding the long-term existential risks of AI. This was a terrifying and fascinating discussion. It's here on X in full, and is up on YouTube, Spotify, and everywhere else. Links in comment. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 2:20 - Existential risk of AGI 8:32 - Ikigai risk 16:44 - Suffering risk 20:19 - Timeline to AGI 24:51 - AGI turing test 30:14 - Yann LeCun and open source AI 43:06 - AI control 45:33 - Social engineering 48:06 - Fearmongering 57:57 - AI deception 1:04:30 - Verification 1:11:29 - Self-improving AI 1:23:42 - Pausing AI development 1:29:59 - AI Safety 1:39:43 - Current AI 1:45:05 - Simulation 1:52:24 - Aliens 1:53:57 - Human mind 2:00:17 - Neuralink 2:09:23 - Hope for the future 2:13:18 - Meaning of life

Here's my conversation with Roman Yampolskiy (Dr. Roman Yampolskiy), AI safety researcher who believes that the chance of AGI eventually destroying human civilization is 99.9999%. I will continue to chat with many AI researchers & engineers, most of whom put p(doom) at <20%, but it's important to balance those technical conversations by understanding the long-term existential risks of AI. This was a terrifying and fascinating discussion. It's here on X in full, and is up on YouTube, Spotify, and everywhere else. Links in comment. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 2:20 - Existential risk of AGI 8:32 - Ikigai risk 16:44 - Suffering risk 20:19 - Timeline to AGI 24:51 - AGI turing test 30:14 - Yann LeCun and open source AI 43:06 - AI control 45:33 - Social engineering 48:06 - Fearmongering 57:57 - AI deception 1:04:30 - Verification 1:11:29 - Self-improving AI 1:23:42 - Pausing AI development 1:29:59 - AI Safety 1:39:43 - Current AI 1:45:05 - Simulation 1:52:24 - Aliens 1:53:57 - Human mind 2:00:17 - Neuralink 2:09:23 - Hope for the future 2:13:18 - Meaning of life

Lex Fridman

30,192,518 views • 2 years ago

Here's my conversation with Matthew Cox, a former con man who served 13 years in federal prison for identity theft and bank fraud totaling $55 million. He was on FBI Most Wanted and Secret Service Most Wanted lists. This 6 hour podcast is his story. First 3 hours are here on X (since there's a 3 hour limit) and is up on YouTube, Spotify, and everywhere else in full. Links in comment. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 1:59 - Mortgage fraud 16:47 - Creating fake people 50:33 - Arrested by FBI 1:07:24 - Omerta: Code of silence 1:29:41 - Fake ID's 1:59:03 - Getting caught 2:12:28 - Going on the run from FBI 2:24:09 - Identity theft 2:44:49 - More scams 2:56:38 - FBI Most Wanted 2:59:06 - Close calls 3:30:01 - Break up with Becky 3:34:42 - Calling parents 3:36:41 - Calling FBI 3:42:21 - Running from cops 4:04:11 - Getting arrested 4:19:36 - Snitching 4:35:51 - Prison 4:53:23 - War dogs 5:00:05 - Frank Amodeo 5:35:37 - Freedom 5:46:31 - Family 5:52:34 - Regret

Here's my conversation with Matthew Cox, a former con man who served 13 years in federal prison for identity theft and bank fraud totaling $55 million. He was on FBI Most Wanted and Secret Service Most Wanted lists. This 6 hour podcast is his story. First 3 hours are here on X (since there's a 3 hour limit) and is up on YouTube, Spotify, and everywhere else in full. Links in comment. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 1:59 - Mortgage fraud 16:47 - Creating fake people 50:33 - Arrested by FBI 1:07:24 - Omerta: Code of silence 1:29:41 - Fake ID's 1:59:03 - Getting caught 2:12:28 - Going on the run from FBI 2:24:09 - Identity theft 2:44:49 - More scams 2:56:38 - FBI Most Wanted 2:59:06 - Close calls 3:30:01 - Break up with Becky 3:34:42 - Calling parents 3:36:41 - Calling FBI 3:42:21 - Running from cops 4:04:11 - Getting arrested 4:19:36 - Snitching 4:35:51 - Prison 4:53:23 - War dogs 5:00:05 - Frank Amodeo 5:35:37 - Freedom 5:46:31 - Family 5:52:34 - Regret

Lex Fridman

924,328 views • 2 years ago

Here's my conversation with Cenk Uygur (Cenk Uygur), a progressive political commentator who makes the case for left-wing progressive ideas. We discuss communism, capitalism, and corruption in politics among many other topics. First 4 hours are here on X, and is up on YouTube, Spotify, and everywhere else in full. Links in comment. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 2:03 - Progressivism 8:12 - Communism 23:00 - Capitalism 29:03 - Corruption 33:49 - Money in politics 50:36 - Fixing politics 1:09:47 - Meritocracy & DEI 1:20:45 - Far-left vs far-right 1:55:19 - Donald Trump 2:15:36 - Joe Biden 2:34:03 - Bernie Sanders 2:47:32 - Kamala Harris 2:55:00 - Harris vs Trump presidential debate 3:08:31 - RFK Jr 3:18:12 - The Young Turks 3:26:25 - Joe Rogan 3:36:05 - Propaganda 3:43:22 - Conspiracy theories 3:51:09 - Israel-Palestine 4:00:56 - Hope

Here's my conversation with Cenk Uygur (Cenk Uygur), a progressive political commentator who makes the case for left-wing progressive ideas. We discuss communism, capitalism, and corruption in politics among many other topics. First 4 hours are here on X, and is up on YouTube, Spotify, and everywhere else in full. Links in comment. Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 2:03 - Progressivism 8:12 - Communism 23:00 - Capitalism 29:03 - Corruption 33:49 - Money in politics 50:36 - Fixing politics 1:09:47 - Meritocracy & DEI 1:20:45 - Far-left vs far-right 1:55:19 - Donald Trump 2:15:36 - Joe Biden 2:34:03 - Bernie Sanders 2:47:32 - Kamala Harris 2:55:00 - Harris vs Trump presidential debate 3:08:31 - RFK Jr 3:18:12 - The Young Turks 3:26:25 - Joe Rogan 3:36:05 - Propaganda 3:43:22 - Conspiracy theories 3:51:09 - Israel-Palestine 4:00:56 - Hope

Lex Fridman

358,918 views • 1 year ago

Here's my conversation with Jeffrey Wasserstrom, a historian of modern China. We talk about China under Xi Jinping, Trump & US-China relations, the trade war, Taiwan, Hong Kong, the history of the Chinese Communist Party, and more. It's here on X in full, and is up everywhere else (see comment). Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 0:16 - Xi Jinping and Mao Zedong 3:45 - Confucius 11:15 - Education 19:21 - Tiananmen Square 30:36 - Tank Man 40:36 - Censorship 1:16:33 - Xi Jinping 1:34:41 - Donald Trump 1:38:34 - Trade war 1:51:23 - Taiwan 2:01:36 - Protests in Hong Kong 2:33:55 - Mao Zedong

Here's my conversation with Jeffrey Wasserstrom, a historian of modern China. We talk about China under Xi Jinping, Trump & US-China relations, the trade war, Taiwan, Hong Kong, the history of the Chinese Communist Party, and more. It's here on X in full, and is up everywhere else (see comment). Timestamps: 0:00 - Introduction 0:16 - Xi Jinping and Mao Zedong 3:45 - Confucius 11:15 - Education 19:21 - Tiananmen Square 30:36 - Tank Man 40:36 - Censorship 1:16:33 - Xi Jinping 1:34:41 - Donald Trump 1:38:34 - Trade war 1:51:23 - Taiwan 2:01:36 - Protests in Hong Kong 2:33:55 - Mao Zedong

Lex Fridman

222,739 views • 1 year ago

Here's my conversation with Jared Kushner, former Senior Advisor to President Donald Trump, and one of the most influential presidential advisors in modern history. We discuss the Hamas attack on Israel in the full context of the history and geopolitics of the region. This conversation is 4 hours. The first 3 hours (current limit for X) are posted here on X. I love you all ❤ Here are the timestamps: === Recorded on Mon, Oct 9 === 0:00 - Introduction 1:17 - Hamas attack on Israel 4:10 - Response to attack 10:28 - History of Hamas 13:09 - Iran 14:55 - Al-Aqsa Mosque 21:20 - Abraham Accords 30:14 - Trump vs Biden on Middle East 39:15 - Israeli-Saudi Normalization 43:26 - How the Israel-Gaza war ends 47:44 - Benjamin Netanyahu 51:21 - Palestinian support 54:01 - Trump 2024 57:30 - Human nature === Recorded on Thu, Oct 5 === 1:04:28 - Geopolitics and negotiation 1:13:10 - North Korea 1:21:50 - Personalities of leaders 1:28:25 - Government bureaucracy 1:34:11 - Accusations of collusion with Russia 1:43:50 - Ivanka 1:49:45 - Father 1:58:28 - Money and power 2:07:11 - Trust and betrayal 2:16:12 - Mohammed bin Salman 2:38:31 - Israeli–Palestinian peace process 2:53:01 - Abraham Accords and Arab-Israeli normalization 3:03:07 - Donald Trump 3:08:13 - War in Ukraine 3:13:29 - Vladimir Putin 3:20:48 - China 3:39:04 - Learning process 3:45:34 - Hope for the future

Here's my conversation with Jared Kushner, former Senior Advisor to President Donald Trump, and one of the most influential presidential advisors in modern history. We discuss the Hamas attack on Israel in the full context of the history and geopolitics of the region. This conversation is 4 hours. The first 3 hours (current limit for X) are posted here on X. I love you all ❤ Here are the timestamps: === Recorded on Mon, Oct 9 === 0:00 - Introduction 1:17 - Hamas attack on Israel 4:10 - Response to attack 10:28 - History of Hamas 13:09 - Iran 14:55 - Al-Aqsa Mosque 21:20 - Abraham Accords 30:14 - Trump vs Biden on Middle East 39:15 - Israeli-Saudi Normalization 43:26 - How the Israel-Gaza war ends 47:44 - Benjamin Netanyahu 51:21 - Palestinian support 54:01 - Trump 2024 57:30 - Human nature === Recorded on Thu, Oct 5 === 1:04:28 - Geopolitics and negotiation 1:13:10 - North Korea 1:21:50 - Personalities of leaders 1:28:25 - Government bureaucracy 1:34:11 - Accusations of collusion with Russia 1:43:50 - Ivanka 1:49:45 - Father 1:58:28 - Money and power 2:07:11 - Trust and betrayal 2:16:12 - Mohammed bin Salman 2:38:31 - Israeli–Palestinian peace process 2:53:01 - Abraham Accords and Arab-Israeli normalization 3:03:07 - Donald Trump 3:08:13 - War in Ukraine 3:13:29 - Vladimir Putin 3:20:48 - China 3:39:04 - Learning process 3:45:34 - Hope for the future

Lex Fridman

6,174,757 views • 2 years ago