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Here's one example of how physical tonight's Liberty North-CBC Class 6 championship game was. No flag on the helmet-to-helmet hit on the quarterback running out of bounds, but a penalty for a push in the back by a CBC player and then players from both teams had to be separated.

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Brad Lemonvor 2 Jahren

I get the fact that you are a “Homer”, but come on. That was clearly NOT helmet to helmet. Nor was it a late hit, he was at least a yard and half in bounds and had not given up on the play. I have never seen any coach give up on an entire game, let alone a state championship.

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Nate Latschvor 2 Jahren

Yes, I'm a homer. Ha. Feel free to go through all my tweets where I highlighted all the great things Liberty North did and where I said multiple times that the better team won – also the team that I've had ranked higher all season long. Or read my story ⬇️

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LogicallyConsistentMDvor 2 Jahren

I know nothing of either of these two teams, but if you call that helmet to helmet you are ridiculous.

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BENNIEvor 2 Jahren

In absolutely no world is that a late hit or helmet to helmet This post has to be satire or a joke or something lol

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William Gillespie 🐯vor 2 Jahren

Helmet to helmet? 😂

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Nate Latschvor 2 Jahren

No?

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Jason Malmquistvor 2 Jahren

1. Not sure what “running out of bounds” means, this guy is not even to the side hash marks. This is 100% not leading with the crown. People, it is not possible to avoid all contact, even in flag football there is some. Stop watching if it’s just too scary for you

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David Gracevor 2 Jahren

Shoulder hit all the way. Nothing h to h on this.

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Nate Latschvor 2 Jahren

Shoulder and helmet was my point, but plenty disagree and that’s fine. Btw I have a photo or two of Theo from yesterday I need to pass along at some point. Congratulations on your win.

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Gateway Sports Venuevor 2 Jahren

Get your biased reporting out of here, Nate and also no stepping over the 25-yard line or we’re reporting you MSHSAA! Awful!!!

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