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How to connect Earth and Mars with an internet link? Here is a quick explanation of my Marslink simulation (v3). Design your own interplanetary network and find out the total Mbps, latency and cost! I'm pretty sure SpaceX will deploy a version of this one day.

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Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

Design your own at It's a free website not collecting any data. Note that a computer screen is needed due to the number of UI elements to display - not optimized for smartphones.

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

The Deployment Report module calculates details of required launches and costs for your exact design.

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

You can also see the detail of individual rings and their launch 'schedule', including tankers.

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

There are some approximations in the calcs but I think it's a good start! Let me know if you have any questions or suggestions. I tried to do a very short video but it was still 5 minutes and couldn't get into any interesting detail. I'm adding a video on flow calculations.

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

Flow calculation explanation: A planet's high data throuhput is like large river. This river splits into smaller, low-data-rate streams. These streams later merge back into large, high-data-rate rivers, reaching the other planet. High rate is depicted in red, low rate in blue.

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

In case you want to access the previous versions, they are available at and

Andres Aristizabal 的头像
Andres Aristizabal1 年前

@SpaceX Could someone explain how you can get over 200 Mbps speed when your latency is over 15 minutes?

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

Yes. A laser link can carry a certain amount of data per time or per distance. This amount depends on the wavelength, the modulation, the superposition of signals, etc... So let's assume an individual laser can carry 100Mb every second that it's transmitting. If the receiver is 10 second away (at the speed of light), then the latency is 10 seconds. It takes 10 seconds for the information to reach the receiver, and it receives 100Mb per second. Also, note that 1000Mb is in space at any single time! Now, let's assume the distance is much greater. There are a bunch of relays to avoid signal loss. If there is a relay every 60 seconds, you need 15 relays. They all maintain 100Mbps and the total travel time is 15 minutes. Because the position of planets relative to one another changes all the time, the latency changes constantly. The network topology changes also based on distances between satellites, and there are multiple paths, so the latency is actually a set of latencies.

Andres Aristizabal 的头像
Andres Aristizabal1 年前

@SpaceX I see, thank you for the explanation... but this does not mean two-way communication at 100 Mbps... it just means one way. Which, I guess, makes sense. I was thinking more in terms of a video call... where the latency goes both ways in real time.

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

This would work both ways actually, as a transmitting laser would be collocated with a receiver. So if there is 100mbps one way, there is also 100mbps the other way. Phone calls are out of the question due to latency. But you can send a video saying hi and talking about your day. This is how Mars comms will look like I think.

The President of Earth ☀️ 的头像
The President of Earth ☀️1 年前

@AAristi1976 @SpaceX Hi @julienvm : "Phone calls are out of the question due to latency" - I actually invented a system with No latency. It is based on the latest advances in Quantum physics. Ready to listen? 👋

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

@AAristi1976 @SpaceX Ok, shoot!

Romain Hedouin 🇫🇷 Unit Police 的头像
Romain Hedouin 🇫🇷 Unit Police1 个月前

@SpaceX I really like your voice, you have a deep soothing voice

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 个月前

@SpaceX Haha thanks bro!

JVB 的头像
JVB1 年前

@SpaceX This is unnecessary complexity, kinda against SpaceX's entire company design philosophy. 3 or 5 large starlink relays in a lower orbit, closer to the sun than Venus. 3 or 5 transceivers in polar orbit around earth and Mars, and an array similar to earths.

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

@SpaceX This is simply a simulation reflecting how physics work. You can set your own assumptions as inputs for the laser link capabilities. I haven't presented what I would consider a realistic design. I think SpaceX will want at least 1Gbps.

JVB 的头像
JVB1 年前

@SpaceX Also a more realistic approach would be how Google and Netflix set up their data in many small servers at ISP locations. Instead of all requests going to a few large data farms, most content is stored closer to the end user.

Jonas DM. 的头像
Jonas DM.1 年前

@SpaceX We can try whatever we want, the speed of light is and always will be the limiting factor.

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

@SpaceX Yes, until we can use particle intrication!

Jonas DM. 的头像
Jonas DM.1 年前

@SpaceX Quantum entanglement cannot transmit faster than light.

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

@dm_jns @SpaceX However it can't be used to transmit information because the measurement gives a particle a random state among the possible options. So you can't force a specific state.

Jonas DM. 的头像
Jonas DM.1 年前

@footycomps2024 @SpaceX Exactly.

szabolcs.jaray 的头像
szabolcs.jaray1 年前

It's so cool, that you have built the sim I also planned.👏😊 I wanted to run genetic algo optimization for choosing the best config for the satellite set to reach specific target performance. Other: did you build in half-statits in the simulation too? Those could orbit the Sun at any desired slower velocity - using solar sail to counteract the proper portion of Sun's gravity. I will check the sim and come back with some more remarks. 👍

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

@SpaceX great! it is on github so you can branch / contribute too

szabolcs.jaray 的头像
szabolcs.jaray1 年前

@SpaceX Cool. I planned a seasonal energy storage sim next, but the temptation to check your program seems strong. 👍

Custom Wetware 的头像
Custom Wetware1 年前

@SpaceX Starship's diameter is 9m but telescope max diameter in your simulation is only 5m. I think I would prefer 9m diameter telescopes and greatly increased transmission power to reduce the number of satellites needed.

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

@SpaceX I think it would be tough to mass manufacture and then stack 9m telescopes in the rocket honestly. You need 4 laser ports per satellite. 5m already seems impossibly large.

Custom Wetware 的头像
Custom Wetware1 年前

@SpaceX Why 4? Isn't 2 enough? Just give each satellite 2x 9m dishes pointed in oppsite directions with a gimbal between. Launch one satellite per starship.

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

@SpaceX I think you need 3 ports for an eccentric rings configuration (what you seem to have in mind): 2 for in-ring links and 1 to communicate outside the ring. However I think circular rings are best, and those require 4 ports.

Custom Wetware 的头像
Custom Wetware1 年前

@SpaceX No, the satellites can be in a circular ring and they don't have to send the signals all the way around the sun. LEO-satellite satellite-satellite x N satellite-LMO No need to send signals to the satellites that are not part of the signal chain between Earth and Mars.

Julien Villa-Massone 的头像
Julien Villa-Massone1 年前

@SpaceX So you assume zero redundancy I'm not against your idea but I'm now sure it's easier than many satellites.

TradFidiGuy 的头像
TradFidiGuy1 年前

@SpaceX Very kewl!! Doesn't this sort of concentric ring, many many hops between rings, design hugely increase end to end latency?

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