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I am quite happy that India's pseudoscience mascot decided to interview this Ayurveda practitioner. It clears a lot about the fact that Ayurveda is indeed a pseudoscience and none of its principles are worthy of being considered remotely "scientific" and that it can never be tested. This essentially means...

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Ranveer Allahbadiavor 2 Jahren

Bro I'm happy to host you on the show. We speak to surgeons & physicians as well as ayurveda practitioners. My only request is that you come over to have a conversation and dive deeper into subjects along with me. If you feel I'm wrong or these conversations are wrong, convince my audience & myself. You know as well as I do that the human body is a complex, yet-to-be-completely-understood machine. Science is the roadmap but both culture & ancient practices can be compasses. In my eyes, I feel like you have a problem with ancient Indian culture and not with me or my work. I understand that considering the political climate of our times. Open to you changing my mind. Respect your passion for science. You're warmly welcome on TRS. See you soon!

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ShineAlwaysvor 2 Jahren

How did u manage sit thru this nonsense without screaming and pulling ur hair out, Doc?

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TheLiverDocvor 2 Jahren

I think I have alopecia now. Induced alopecia.

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Bhargavvor 2 Jahren

If Alopecia could have been treated using a leaf, I guess Will Smith would still be attending Oscars🤣

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Dr. Soubhik Sinhababuvor 2 Jahren

What are they trying to say? Just using the language with some Sanskrit terms & acting with serious expressions to fool innocent people. Sad Reality.

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Dr Shailesh Singhvor 2 Jahren

A businessman friend told me “marketing is giving people what they want”. This guy is a businessman - doing whatever he believes will give him more eyeballs and 💰💸. He knows that people in our country are happy munching giloye, rubbing nails together for hair growth and are religiously listening to yoga Babaji on their TVs in the evenings. Those views, and his revenue from such videos are reflective of collective IQ of our society. People ARE romanticising with pseudoscience in 2023 more than ever and guys like him are like vectors who propagate the disease.

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Prafull G Herodevor 2 Jahren

Alternative medicine still has a role in chronic illness like asthma , IBS . Unfortunately very few Drs practice what they learn & then there are these mahan gurus who are not even Drs but are selling alternative medicine . I have very good friends who are Drs and practice

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TheLiverDocvor 2 Jahren

@pgherode Absolutely no role. Stop being a pseudoscience sympathizer.

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Soumitra 🌻 সৌমিত্র சௌமித்ரா سومترہvor 2 Jahren

My personal opinion is you should not take his invite and go on the platform. By doing so you end up legitimising these pseudoscientific practitioners as being equal and having an opinion. Plus you lend respectability to his platform. Please do consider this.

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Therapy of gall stones during pregnancy Peppermint tea, hibiscus tea, lemon water and such easy sounding kitchen-hacks are not the treatment for gall bladder disease or complicated gall stones. Gall bladder stones that are uncomplicated or incidentally detected do not require treatment. Do not worry about them unnecessarily. Gall stones that get stuck in the neck of the gall bladder or come down into the bile duct, causing bile duct obstruction, bile block and infection requires antibiotic therapy and after an interval, removal of gall bladder. Otherwise it could happen again and the second hit of infection could kill the person. It can also lead to gall stone pancreatitis that can lead to multiple organ failure. No amount of hibiscus tea and lemon water will save you when you are in septic shock due to cholangitis and a ruptured gall bladder, on the ventilator inside an ICU. 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Yes, indeed, this is lawlessness by any standard. Even by banana republic standards, this is still lawlessness. Your country has a constitution, it has a government, it has a police service, and it has a ruling party. I am sure you can see that some of the people there are actually wearing ruling party T-shirts. It is lawless regardless of whoever does it. It is an embarrassment to South Africa as a country, what you are doing and what you are encouraging people to do. Your country has an immigration service. If people are in your country illegally, they should be arrested and deported through lawful processes. You do not go around destroying property, tearing down markets, and attacking people. It is illegal regardless of whoever does it. It is not illegal because I have said so. It is illegal because the laws of your country make it so. This is vigilantism, pure and simple, and it is tainting the reputation of South Africa, not only across Africa but across the world. If you have got satellite television in your home, you can see that these actions are being reported everywhere. It is not good for your country. This kind of barbarism undermines the rule of law, fuels division, and damages South Africa’s standing as a constitutional democracy. It is the actions of a few that are tainting the reputation of many. The average South African is not mindless like this. They respect the law, and they respect the fact that among them, in their communities, there are people from other countries. If those people are in the country illegally, you report them and the law takes its course through proper processes of arrest and deportation. You do not descend into mob justice, lawlessness, and destruction. That is not who South Africans are, and it must not be normalised.

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