I kept experimenting with Runway Gen2 over the weekend, this time with fire/smoke. Coming from the 3D/VFX industry, I sincerely think that the tool is not yet "production ready", but it will sure get there. /thread. 🍥 Timmy 🍥 Steve Mills James Grote AmliArt

@runwayml @IXITimmyIXI @SteveMills @jamesgrote @amli_art Wow captivating 🏆

Def agree with the cost vs. analysis value, but am gunna lovingly and respectfully disagree with the morphology being a no-no for production value. Ya, it wouldn't fit into anything being made now...but do we want everything to fit into the current paradigm? The production value is stellar IMO for what it does, which is something wholeheartedly and beautifully new. Let's make a new paradigm. That being said, there is still good and bad morphology, and the price per output is ya, too high RN.

@runwayml @IXITimmyIXI @SteveMills @jamesgrote Yeah is a completely new paradigm, I agree! If we're trying new stuff, weird characters or rendering anime, illustrations and so on, this is perfect, I'm just commenting specific about human characters, I spent hours trying to get decent faces and bodies and it was challenging.

reminds me of disco/pytti days lol. I like the weird morphy humans you've been getting tho, esp that paint one you did. If you learn any reliable prompting tips let us know! As of a week or two ago there still wasn't a good prompt understanding in this community yet, most people saying it was too irregular to make any concrete prompt guidelines

@runwayml @IXITimmyIXI @SteveMills @jamesgrote things i've learned: "dynamic" and "cinematic" give good animation and camera movements, I don't for stuff like "8K" or "ultra high quality", no difference. I'm very picky with colors and this is a weird one, for instance "tetradic" and "triadic" colors give the same results!

@runwayml @IXITimmyIXI @SteveMills @jamesgrote yay! love it! Man i went through a whole phase of being obsessed with putting triadic colors in all my prompts. So that rubs me a bit, lol!

@runwayml @IXITimmyIXI @SteveMills @jamesgrote @amli_art Wow. One of the best I've seen

@runwayml @IXITimmyIXI @SteveMills @jamesgrote @amli_art It's still very impressive how far things have come already :)

@runwayml @IXITimmyIXI @SteveMills @amli_art Wow, these are incredible! Also, what is the cool music?

@runwayml @IXITimmyIXI @SteveMills @amli_art check the thread my comments : )

@runwayml @IXITimmyIXI @SteveMills @jamesgrote @amli_art Totally agree, same goes with good number of AI tools/platforms out there

The fantastic music is by @plaidmusic, a track called "Wide I's" from the Feorm Falorx LP on @WarpRecords . I am not monetizing or gaining anything from this, just love the track!

The first issue I have with Gen 2 as-is is the quality of the model and training, the morphology of the characters is a bit weird, body, faces, this is a no-no if you want to have any kind of production value.

The interpolation method gives all kinds of werid artifacts. Not always but a bit unpleasant most of the time.

The raw upscaling tops at 1536 x 896 pixels @ 24fps, you can then post-process or edit/upscale up to 4K but the raw output should be at a minimum FullHD.

I've seen no options for other resolutions or aspect ratios, this should be an option. The generations sometimes come as cinemascope and others at 4:3

The cost/value is no way near anything acceptable yet. I spent a whole month's credits just to generate this. My ratio is about 1 good generation every 10 to 15. I see no value in this, yes I can burn $100 just testing and doing RD but is you'll work on this this is not good.

All of this rant is just me trying to be objective and constructive criticism. Kudos to @runwayml you have a real gem in the works. My experiments will resume next month with new credits. 🤘😎🔥

@runwayml @IXITimmyIXI @SteveMills @jamesgrote @amli_art This is really great. Just prompts or are you using an image as base? I agree, the cost to get what you want is way too high. Hopefully some form of preview will follow soon.

@runwayml @IXITimmyIXI @SteveMills @jamesgrote @amli_art 100% prompts so far, trying to understand this first.

@runwayml @IXITimmyIXI @SteveMills @jamesgrote @amli_art Amazing. Need to get into this more this week after a play around. I just let it run the weird stuff as a reference point to look back on 😊 I bet we’ll be sad when this period of peculiar imagery is gone.

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