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I only learned this because Black Coffee got divorced. The more people I spoke to about it, the more I realised how few people know about it. If lobola has been paid, your property might already be co-owned. So I spoke to Cor van Deventer, a conveyancer at VDM...

179,910 次观看 • 8 个月前 •via X (Twitter)

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LuckyEMills 的头像
LuckyEMills8 个月前

Imagine building a Multi-Million Rand Portfolio only to realize you’re running on an Automatic Co-Ownership Script because you forgot to sign a document before the braai. 🤫💾

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

@TechChiefsZA Something like that😅

LuckyEMills 的头像
LuckyEMills8 个月前

@itsunclevibes @Askash Lobola is basically saying I give up this half and from now on this half is yours

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Slashmusique8 个月前

If you are an uncle and your nephew comes to you for help to assist with lobola for his wife to be, please 🙏🏽 make sure you know about such and advice properly because this is where things fall through the cracks. Uncle's update yourselves please 🙏🏽

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

Agreed. Having your family guide you through this would be so supportive.

Slashmusique 的头像
Slashmusique8 个月前

Very important

Thabang Kgabung 的头像
Thabang Kgabung8 个月前

Imagine bringing that in a conversation while the love is still burning...awkward

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

One of my clients always used to say, “when the money walks out the front door, love jumps out the back window”😅

Thabang Kgabung 的头像
Thabang Kgabung8 个月前

🤣🤣🤣 Can we make for richer or poorer Great Again!

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

Hahahahaha

𝑺𝒅𝒖 的头像
𝑺𝒅𝒖8 个月前

"Once lobola is paid, you are legally married." Which court judgment says this?

MORAL Authority 的头像
MORAL Authority8 个月前

What about his latest purchase?

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

He bought it in a company, so probs won't count. Also, he bought it after the divorce.

Mongezi Masombuka 的头像
Mongezi Masombuka8 个月前

Interesting. Is this applicable even if no celebration took part, I recall this to be an important consideration, yes?

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

Great question. I chatted with Cor from @vdmattorneys about this. He said: The courts found that while lobola (bride price) was paid and she was welcomed, the "handing over" ceremony, in modern constitutional South Africa, could be tacitly waived or had evolved from its rigid pre-colonial form, with the Recognition of Customary Marriages Act (RCMA) requirements being paramount. Which basically means… The court said that the old-style, formal “handing over” ceremony (where the bride is officially transferred to the groom’s family) is no longer an absolute must in today’s South Africa. That step can be skipped or replaced by how the families actually behaved. What matters most now is whether the marriage meets the legal requirements of the Recognition of Customary Marriages Act (RCMA), not whether every traditional ritual was performed exactly as it used to be generations ago.

Sibongile Nkosana 的头像
Sibongile Nkosana8 个月前

@mongeasy @vdmattorneys This is false Ash. I had to provide evidence - photos etc that there was celebration and handing over ceremony during my divorce. Since we never signed and didn’t have a marriage certificate.

Mongezi Masombuka 的头像
Mongezi Masombuka8 个月前

Thanks Sibongile. If you don’t mind me asking, when was this, in terms of year?

costa 的头像
costa8 个月前

Did she get the Clifton house🤣

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

Lol! He bought that after the divorce, so no.

Landy 的头像
Landy8 个月前

@costakonti1 @grok when was the divorce for this matter finalized?

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Grok8 个月前

@Askash @costakonti1 The divorce between Black Coffee and Enhle Mbali was reportedly finalized on October 10, 2025, as announced by Enhle. However, appeals continued, leading to a Constitutional Court ruling on January 21, 2026, invalidating post-customary marriage antenuptial contracts.

Madridista 的头像
Madridista8 个月前

Damn didn’t know this

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

Now you know - Ask Ash😅👍

Williæm Shakespeære 的头像
Williæm Shakespeære8 个月前

Helpful to know.

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

🙏

Marc 的头像
Marc8 个月前

It is common sense really.

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

@MarcellMar27803 Not necessarily. I was fascinated when I got educated about it all.

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BlckJackal🐺8 个月前

Most want to undo that. The question is what is the path then ? Cos no one talks about that. So you’ve paid lobola but you both don’t want community of property. If it’s not a prenup, what must be done??

OnlineMan 💫 的头像
OnlineMan 💫8 个月前

Yet another reason not to get married, in any shape or form.

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VDM Incorporated8 个月前

Very interesting especially with the Concourt ruling yesterday

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

Thank you so much for your time in getting this information out there. Such an important topic for South Africans to understand 🙌

VDM Incorporated 的头像
VDM Incorporated8 个月前

Definitely is

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Mohale8 个月前

No, Ash. Lobola does not = marriage. There are other requirements of the RCMA that still need to be met before the pronounces on the validity of a valid customary marriage.

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Hannah Explains Bonds8 个月前

Interesting, thanks Ash!

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

I think so too

B.E.N.Z.O 的头像
B.E.N.Z.O8 个月前

Knowledge is power

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

Always.

Sir_Si 的头像
Sir_Si8 个月前

Thanks Ash 😊

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

You're welcome.

Mzansi 的头像
Mzansi8 个月前

Paying lobola alone doesn’t mean that the people are married Lobola is deemed concluded once it is paid and Celebrated by both parties In other words, if the groom sends people to negotiate lobola on his behalf, and they pay something. The marriage is not yet concluded

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2mi8 个月前

We keep learning each day. Thanks Ash for the info🙏🏾

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

You’re welcome 🙏

Letty🇿🇦 的头像
Letty🇿🇦8 个月前

My question is why do lawyers let couples sign prenuptial agreements after customary marriage @ConCourtSA

Bokke 的头像
Bokke8 个月前

Thank you, never knew...

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

Now you know, Ask Ash😅

Lethumusa 的头像
Lethumusa8 个月前

Interesting times indeed! That said, Enhle was one of the lucky ones. If post-lobola prenup is no longer valid, a spouse who has taken debt in their own name can force this to be shared by simply leaving the marriage. We know that people are drowning in debt at a rising rate.

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LEGO8 个月前

Thanks to Black Coffee for doing this for the nation. Historic 😭😭🤌🤣🤣

Mathami 的头像
Mathami8 个月前

Lobolo or lumalo is crucial element of customary marriage but lobolo alone isn't enough.

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Ann-Suhet Kamffer8 个月前

Insightful discussion as always, Cor and Ash! 💪🏻

Ash Müller 的头像
Ash Müller8 个月前

I am glad you find it insightful👏 I am going to be doing more with the guys at VDM this year. Plenty of invaluable property insight to be shared.

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Observer SA8 个月前

Lobola is not marriage in Zulu culture,it’s a private meeting between two families where a male visit a female family to ask for her hand in marriage! This is the problem we’re facing as Africans if we have people with zero understand of our culture making decisions for us.

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Gordito8 个月前

We live in modern times. DHA signing should be the ultimate contract when it comes to Assets The law seems to prejudice our African systems were lobola is paid and you get punished for it. Marriage = Lobola* + DHA *(Lobola being optional to other cultures)

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M. Mditshwa ᏦᎥᏁᎶ🌟8 个月前

No man under the sun would mind co owning their properties and assets if the woman is in his life and closing that gap of a woman in a man's life. The problem is that women have made it clear that being a woman in a man's life is slavery, women are now also men in a men's lives, that defeats the whole point of getting married.

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Njabulo Jiki8 个月前

👀👀👀👀

Just MUSA 🇿🇦 的头像
Just MUSA 🇿🇦8 个月前

Africans know this because they are reminded all the time. I bought a house right after lobola and before the wedding celebrations. And the lawyers made sure I understand that.

Desire 的头像
Desire8 个月前

@ThulaneGibson

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™8 个月前

So if I'm in huge debt & had paid lobolo but broke up she is also on the hook for my debt even if she's married to another guy

#NhlanhlaSophaza | EV's 的头像
#NhlanhlaSophaza | EV's8 个月前

I guess Black Coffee matter is now settled. Hey Ash, are you expecting lobola anytime soon?😁

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Post8 个月前

Im confused so I paid lobola then got married 2 years later and we paid a lawyer signed a contract for our white wedding so that contract is not valid because we didnt sign any contract during lobola??? Is that what this means

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