I still think about this video at least twice a month

you have to excuse Mr. Ayoob he seems to think that metallurgy hasn't advanced at all since 1960

1860*

fair was just going by the full length this is from where he said he got his first 1911 at 11 years old and that he broke the extractor by letting the slide slam forward

That's especially funny because the 1911's extractor has clearance to the barrel, the extractor doesn't touch it. Unless maybe someone has been installing parts that don't even remotely fit right, I guess? But that's not a "don't shut your gun" problem.

true i buy their mags because they work other than that never bought anything Wilson especially after that video sketched me out hard like if I'm buying a 2k plus 1911 i want it to be a tank

You can't physically operate the weapon harder than it operates itself.

Applicable sentiment here, but things like snapping revolvers or break action shotguns shut will wear them out a lot quicker than gentle handling. There's certain rules and exceptions here, but shutting the slide? Thats silly.

@akmoosegrits Counterpoint: Snapping a revolver is the best thing ever.

@NaviGoBoom Definitely cool looking, and thats half the battle!

What is even with these fudds? Whay the fuck do the think happen when you shoot the damn gun? Yeah setting off small explosions inside the the gun totally fine. But "OH no!!! I let the slide close how it was designed??!! It gonna break!!"

But…you SHOULDN’T repeatedly drop the slide on an empty chamber of a finely tuned 1911. And we have more 1911 gunsmiths at Nighthawk who have been inducted into the American Pistolsmiths Guild than any company in the world, so I’m not just spouting fuddlore. I could blindly present one of our gunsmiths with two pistols (one where the slide has been repeatedly dropped on an empty chamber and one which hasn’t) and they’d be able to tell which is which within about 5 seconds. You can shoot tens of thousands of rounds without any of the same issues. On most finely tuned 1911s, the issue has to do with the precision and interaction of very specifically refined fire-control geometries. The hammer hooks are typically shorter and much more precisely squared, the sear nose is very carefully stoned and polished, engagement is pretty much reduced to the minimum needed for a safe, crisp break, and the entire system is sprung lighter than on a GI-style pistol. That combination is what gives you the clean, glass rod-style trigger pull people expect from high end 1911s, but it also means there is less excess engagement and less margin for repeated shock. When you drop the slide on an empty chamber it closes at full speed because it isn’t bleeding off any energy to strip a round from the magazine and chamber it. When the slide abruptly stops without that “cushion”, the impact is transmitted through the entire pistol. On a finely tuned trigger, that can momentarily disturb the sear/hammer relationship, contribute to sear bounce or hammer follow, and over time can batter or alter the extremely small, precisely fit engagement surfaces. It’s not that a custom 1911 is fragile or that one empty-chamber slide drop will damage it. It’s that you’re unnecessarily hammering on very specific surfaces that are fit and polished to tolerances measured in thousandths of an inch. A GI-style 1911 has more engagement and more margin - so it isn’t so much an issue. A finely tuned 1911 has less margin because that refinement is what you’re paying the gunsmith for.

Lots of words, no evidence. Have one of these gunsmiths explain how the sear and hammer manage to not magically damage one another when firing the gun (where they not only are required to literally scrape against one another, but also bear down on each other just as hard as when dropping the slide), but that dropping the slide suddenly makes this damage appear. Then, after they've explained it, surely there's actual documented evidence of this being an issue, besides on poorly fit guns that were unsafe to begin with. Right?

Genuinely, you should come visit. I’ll let you sit with a gunsmith who can physically show you how it all works. This is all specific to a finely tuned 1911 trigger system. I drip the slide on an empty chamber in my Glocks all the time.

I'm well aware of how 1911s work. I've physically built 1911s with very light triggers. Dropping the slides on them did not magically make them stop working or hammer follow or whatever other nonsense was supposed to happen. If you'd like to make a test out of it, send me hammers and sears and I'll fire some and slam shut on the others. Your gunsmiths can have fun guessing which is which.

I responded in good faith trying to pass along knowledge from some rather knowledgeable folks when it comes to the 1911 platform. We’ve build a lot of guns. We work on a lot of guns. I didn’t say it’s going to make your gun blow up. I just said it has the potential to tweak a fancy trigger job. 🫡 I’m going to bed. You’re genuinely welcome in Berryville anytime. And I’m not saying that facetiously - we appreciate a good debate/dialogue and showing folks what we do. Have a good night brother.

"Tweak a trigger job" how? Ayoob's claim was that hammer follow will ensue. That's a little more than "tweaking" a trigger job. Is your claim now that 300k+ rounds has no meaningful impact on the trigger job, but that some small number of times shutting the slide will wreck it?

Anyway, I know that the actual issue is hammers slamming into half cock due to the sear disengaging without an intentional trigger pull - I'm just curious why nobody parroting this advice will come out and say so. This can happen when guns are assembled with poorly fit components in an attempt to get a lighter trigger pull. But at that point, it's not shutting the slide that's the issue, it's the components being on such a razor's edge that a minor difference in slide closing velocity is enough to cause the gun to damage itself. On a gun that doesn't have fit problems and won't hammer down to half cock inadvertently, slamming the slide doesn't pose an issue to the sear surfaces. But trying to sell this as "this is a high end gun so that's why you have to be gentle" is a little disingenuous - in reality it's a gun that's traded off a great deal of reliability (and perhaps safety) for a slightly better trigger pull.

The 1911 was specifically designed to be shut on an empty chamber. It's part of the manual of arms the Army developed for it. Facts and reality aside, even if guns were so fragile that the negligible friction from closing on a round was all that kept them from breaking, wouldn't how tightly you hold the gun now suddenly determine how much wear happens? You can absolutely get more resistance to slide closing by holding the gun loosely. Heck, the 1911 was designed to be fired one-handed! So is it your expert opinion that handguns must be limp-wristed in one hand in order to minimize wear?

Guys pls help I accidentally dropped the slide on my brand new Glock and it just collapsed in on itself like a Neutron Star and now the vengeful spirits of Mr. Ayoob and the NRA is trying to break my door down what do I do??

should've added a jumpscare warning

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RUINED

@lemonsquirt3d Why the fuck would the put a slide release on the pistol if it’s not to release the slide lol?

Excuse me what.

I’m so tired to 90 year old fudds telling people myths about guns.

I have been told twice that it will "knock sear alignment off causing the gun to discharge in your holster" lol

Like dry firing a bow.

No, not at all, actually. At least with some bows, snapping them down will actually break them. Shutting the slide on a 1911 does not "wreck the extractor" or "peen the locking lugs" or whatever nonsense people claim.

Next you are going to tell me that slamming a car door doesn't hurt the car and old guys get upset about it over nothing.

Nope. You're just stupid and wrong and having a made up argument. Car doors are not intended to be slammed as hard as you can shut them. Guns are designed to shut as hard as their springs shut them. If your gun can't withstand shutting under its own spring, you've got a broken or otherwise shitty gun.

I was being sarcastic.

Two types of people: Some people have a slide stop. Some people have a slide release.

"Don't shoot your gun, that will damage the barrel"

Got it before you can cut it out, dummy He made it clear that its not good to do it to a 1911 Its clear why you did it Be better my friend

It's fine to do to a 1911

Then why not state that in the beginning & why cut it from the video? Also pretty crazy to think about this often lmao

shut up idiot

This landed with a big fudd.

I instinctively meow when ever I drop the slide. Sometimes it’s just in my head, most of the time it is not.

At 23 yrs old I had a firearms instructor say "firearms are a machine, the more you drop that slide the closer it is to failure. Every machine breaks. It's one of the reasons you don't pull a trigger when the guns on safe. EVERY machine breaks!" I'm now a mechanic, he was correct

wow that's crazy, I bet you never shoot your guns

Not as often as I'd like, but I also fix my own shit and don't pay other to do it for me so I take care of my investments. But you be you.

This. This is the level of quality shitpost I follow this account for.

meow

In a fever dream fueled by alcohol and boredom, I turned this shit into a twitch redeem that summons Max the Cat and a 1911 for my model. I spent like 4 hours on it. It is one of the LEAST used redeems. Still worth it.

So 100-200 times that I let the slide slam shut on an empty chamber will ruin my pistol? But the 5000-10000 rounds I cycle through it won't?

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@ArmedJ0y Everytime you slam a gun closed and dryfire it an angel dies. Maybe think about that before you just do stuff.

Eh, you still don't want to make it a habit on high priced 2011s. It will affect the trigger and sear engagement after a little while.

Explain how in detail. Explain how firing the gun doesn't cause this "affect"

@bobjone15695733 Because the round that’s in the chamber cushions the blow. When the chamber is empty and you let the slide fall, there is nothing there to cushion it. Why does this have to be repeated so much. 🤦🏻‍♂️

@bobjone15695733 You didn't explain with any detail at all. Try reading next time! Doesn't limp wristing the firearm also act as a "buffer" to cushion the parts? Do you always limp wrist when you shoot?

@bobjone15695733

Their social media manager dork doesn't know what he's talking about. If the margins are their gun are so thin that the "braking" effect from feeding a round is all that stands between a comically unsafe gun and one that somehow works for 300k+ rounds, someone is either wrong (or lying) or their guns are so incredibly poorly designed that they are only ever a moment away from breaking. Again, limp wristing makes a bigger difference than having a round get fed. If they can't provide data on the effects of how tightly you're supposed to hold the gun to stay within their claimed comically thin margins, then they're talking out of their ass.

Used to hate him but I started to respect him. He was a voice for gun rights and training back in the day when rights were being stripped away every year. However, he is from an era when boomer advice rang true back then. Most of the beliefs from the are no longer relavent now

don't turn your car on because it wears out the starter when you do it

@NotWill42 Pretty much just the 1911 and it dings up the disco ruining trigger jobbing. Same for dropping the slide on a chambered round, the 1911 extractor is designed to be fed from underneath so it hyper extends the tip of the extractor. Old design, not relevant to modern pistols.

@NotWill42 The disconnector interacts with the slide the same when when shooting, loading, chamber checking, etc. Shutting on a round already in the chamber definitely does cause the extractor to move more than normal, though.

@NotWill42 Yeah, you’re right wrong term, voice to text. Wasn’t watching. Sear.

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Is impossible to convince fuds that is just lore. Thats a tool designed to contain mini explosions thousands of times while the slide cycles back and forth. However, according to fuds if you release the slide forward in a controlled manner that's going to ruin your tool 🤡

@Snugglebuffins Feels like sometimes people treat firearms like they are a collectors toy.