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I think J.K. Rowling is a good author.

92,687 просмотров • 1 месяц назад •via X (Twitter)

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Фото профиля Mike16Ike19
Mike16Ike191 месяц назад

@jk_rowling I turned it off when the argument was ‘the books aren’t Objectively good’ and his first post rebuttal was ‘lots of people are reading it’ That’s an argumentum ad populum. Start with a relevant argument and non-fallacy next time.

Фото профиля Quick Thoughts
Quick Thoughts1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling Wrong. Fiction is produced and sold for people to read and enjoy. Harry Potter being widely read indicates it is a successful book and the author is therefore good at creating successful books.

Фото профиля Mike16Ike19
Mike16Ike191 месяц назад

@jk_rowling No it isn’t. I didn’t ask if it was successful I asked if it was objectively good. Being widely read means lots people have read it not that it is good. Lots of people watched fast and furious 10. Doesn’t make it good. Lots of people eat to obesity. Doesn’t make it a good action.

Фото профиля Quick Thoughts
Quick Thoughts1 месяц назад

Yes, you are wrong. You are even wrong about what the argument is about. It is not "Are the books good" it is "Is Rowling a good author." The books are successful. They are commercially successful, enormously popular, widely read, well reviewed, and Rowling has success with multiple series in different genres. An author is a person who produces books. An author who produces successful books is a good author. This is not a fallacy to observe the objective evidence that the books are successful as measured by their popularity.

Фото профиля Mike16Ike19
Mike16Ike191 месяц назад

@jk_rowling No I am not. I’m going to simplify this bc you are clearly struggling here: the first sentence of this video makes the argument verbatim. Your immediate response is a argumentum ad populum (a fallacy). ‘A lot of people read it’ isn’t an answer to the claim in this video.

Фото профиля Dimon
Dimon1 месяц назад

@lthlnkso @jk_rowling Using your own logic, nobody is “objectively” good at any art form. If we can’t use popularity, money generated, and vast number of reviews or critic acclaims. Which also means, nobody is “objectively” bad at any art.

Фото профиля Mike16Ike19
Mike16Ike191 месяц назад

@lthlnkso @jk_rowling No that’s what you are arguing. Stop conflating my position with whatever you are throwing at the wall today.

Фото профиля patrick is in london
patrick is in london1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling I don't think the OP makes a strong argument (or really any argument per se), but I also don't think this rebuttal quite hits the mark. Surely you'd agree author quality is not purely reducible to commercial success; overrated or underrated authors can in principle exist

Фото профиля Quick Thoughts
Quick Thoughts1 месяц назад

I’m open to considering any objective measure of author quality. I referred to reading time, books sold, reviews, and hours of human enjoyment. If you have another measure in mind, let’s see it. If you think author quality can’t be objectively measured then you agree with me up to the point that the OP is wrong. I think the objective measures I gave are relevant and subjective measures exist too. I don’t see the point in denying the objective.

Фото профиля patrick is in london
patrick is in london1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling For clarity, I'm 90% on the same page as you, I just don't think your response quite engages the central idea. If e.g. we polled Lit profs to rate the technical writing quality of the Potter novels, I guess that they'd rate it middlingy.

Фото профиля Canuck Observer ᛉ
Canuck Observer ᛉ1 месяц назад

@lthlnkso @jk_rowling That is one of many factors that make a "good" author. Literary skill alone doesn't make someone a good author, just a good technical writer.

Фото профиля patrick is in london
patrick is in london1 месяц назад

@lthlnkso @jk_rowling Absolutely. Your point here is what I've been alluding to as a rebuttal to the OP that more centrally engages them.

Фото профиля asstard
asstard1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling a pet peeve of mine is someone saying "objectively..." followed immediately by a subjective statement.

Фото профиля MJR Schneider
MJR Schneider1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling Several authors on that most read list (e.g. Sarah J. Maas, Colleen Hoover) I'd say objectively are terrible authors despite their popularity. But your point stands. Most post-2019 HP hate is transparently just politically-motivated sour grapes masquerading as literary criticism.

Фото профиля KinoFlex
KinoFlex1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling Determining the quality of something based off big numbers and reviews of people you’ve never met isn’t a good standard to have for art. I say this as someone who couldn’t care less about Rowling’s politics.

Фото профиля Nadav Igra - lvl 17 Goblin Vampire
Nadav Igra - lvl 17 Goblin Vampire1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling Her Harry Potter series is second only to the bible in terms of copies sold. Whatever you think, you can't claim it's objectively not good.

Фото профиля housefire
housefire1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling complaining about a fantasy novel while wearing a steampunk costume

Фото профиля Matt 🦆
Matt 🦆1 месяц назад

It seems to me that you are both incorrect. I don’t believe, in principle, that an author can be objectively good or bad; those are subjective qualities. Your argument convinces me more that she is objectively popular and well-respected, but not that she is an objectively good author.

Фото профиля Prof. Oberon Azrael
Prof. Oberon Azrael1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling I can say she is a good author, easy to read books with a decent plot with some surprises without getting too convoluted. And she clearly appeals to a vast group of readers. That said, I’d rather read Lord of the Rings.

Фото профиля Rachel Lauren
Rachel Lauren1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling This doesn't actually prove his point wrong. If anything this shows they are popular not not good. Those two things are not the same thing.

Фото профиля Rustle V. Daises
Rustle V. Daises1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling Her being popular doesn't mean she is necessarily good. She's always in the top 20 because the Harry Potter books are popular. If you genuinely think she is up there because of quality then you need to read more books. Endgame is the 2nd highest grossing movie of all time...

Фото профиля ThatGuyFromHS
ThatGuyFromHS1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling The funny mustache man doesn't understand the definition of the word objectively.

Фото профиля abby
abby1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling she’s a piece of shit regardless of her writing skills

Фото профиля Johnny Nashville
Johnny Nashville1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling Popular means good?

Фото профиля hadrian the terrible
hadrian the terrible1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling the most punchable face ive seen in a while

Фото профиля Scipio Africanus
Scipio Africanus1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling Popularity is not a measure of objectibe quality. Not saying the other guy is right, but twilight was number 1 on the NY time bestseller list and that book is OBJECTIVELY terrible

Фото профиля Heyoka Samsara
Heyoka Samsara1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling they’re not written very well but the worldbuilding is clearly very good. aesthetics trump all. someone like cs lewis or philip pullman does a lot better tho

Фото профиля PogiJones
PogiJones1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling People really torture the word "objectively" when they want to protect more strength than their argument actually has. Rowling is objectively a best selling author. She is objectively a financially successful author. She has objectively given billions of hours of enjoyment to--

Фото профиля SatelliteBoy
SatelliteBoy1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling Guy is mad for the Ts.

Фото профиля DP
DP1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling Just bc it’s successful doesn’t make good. The transformer movies are successful they are not good movies

Фото профиля Sergeant Uzas 🔞
Sergeant Uzas 🔞1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling Popular doesn’t mean good, and good doesn’t mean popular. I’ve met people, and most of us have shit taste.

Фото профиля Aunt Suzi Quilts
Aunt Suzi Quilts1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling A teacher friend of mine did a study on how the Harry Potter series helps children improve their vocabulary and reading comprehension. Beyond that, teaching children to love reading is a Huge Win!!

Фото профиля Greta Thornberry
Greta Thornberry1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling By what metric is Harry Potter not objectively good? The left does this a lot. They intentionally misuse a word, even though it's not true, because it makes a more extreme stance. Another example is how they use "empathy". They think it means to "endorse" what someone else does

Фото профиля Crazed Apache
Crazed Apache1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling Obviously there is a general misunderstanding of "objective vs subjective". Objectively, it is to be weighed against the rules of what constitutes good writing. Subjectively, it will be weighed against how the general audience likes or hates the books.

Фото профиля Arthur Wrong 🔸
Arthur Wrong 🔸1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling this guy is a goofball, but it's silly to turn his "objective" shtick back on him. It would've sufficed to demonstrate that his claim that Rowling is not a "good author" is not objective, no need to claim that yours is. Aesthetic quality is an extremely contested concept

Фото профиля Liam Spencer
Liam Spencer1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling My personal opinion - Rowling is a very good story writer. Imaginative in creating a world that readers could consistently return to. I think character dev and dialogue left a bit to be desired but it’s a kid series. She obviously couldn’t write how teenager talks (swearing etc)

Фото профиля Dirt McGirt
Dirt McGirt1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling I agree completely. Just like we know Nickelback are the best musicians, McDonalds makes the best food, and Greek philosophy sucks fat floppy donkey dick. I never seen Aristotle make the Most Most Read List.

Фото профиля Mareen
Mareen1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling So the Star Wars sequels are good movies because lots of people have seen them. Good job.

Фото профиля Josh
Josh1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling DUNE, by Frank Herbert, one of the top-selling sci-fi novels of all time, was rejected 23 times before being published by Chilton, who famously printed auto repair manuals. Judging an author for how many times they are rejected means absolutely nothing. As she proved as well.

Фото профиля Teetotalernt
Teetotalernt1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling The discourse is just so tedious. Famous author has 'bad' opinions other artist-adjacent people don't like. They decide because they hate her opinions that they hate her, and, consequently, her art. That video would not be made had she said the right thing.

Фото профиля XRP recon
XRP recon1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling There’s no way to make an objective argument about an opinion….

Фото профиля Copy Eye➿
Copy Eye➿1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling Bruh, people are now just subverting their subjective opinion as objective truth to validate their opinion? Copium🤦‍♂️Harry is billions dollar franchise.

Фото профиля Kadyn Box
Kadyn Box1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling books those thick and a series that long , that’s a fantastic author imagine getting a freaking kid to real ALL of that in elementary or middle school. outstanding!

Фото профиля Maldito
Maldito1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling People forget what objectivity actually means. It means empirical, data-backed, reproducible. It doesn't mean "an authority said it".

Фото профиля Fox the Mutt
Fox the Mutt1 месяц назад

@jk_rowling This guy knows that most American adults read at a 6th grade level right? Citing popular books to argue they’re good is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard

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