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"I think that these black triangles that fly around, I think they're probably ours." ~KM Kirk McConnell - Former Senate Staffer : "We have reports from, you know, insiders, a large number of people who say, 'Yeah, progress has really not been very significant.' But, you know, you certainly... show more
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![Mellon knows people who believe 100% that the USG and/or its contractors have materials and craft from a non-human intelligence. But, he also knows this... "I can tell you that there are senior Pentagon people who do not believe that there's any crash material [and] do think that this is all bogus." ~Christopher K. Mellon in Barcelona (People like to ignore this from Mellon but I won't. I shared similar comments from him at this same conference back when he said it but the post did crappy because a lot of people just want info. that will confirm their beliefs. As Rizwan Virk said, it would be interesting to see what Mellon thinks today, as this was in the fall of 2022, before Grusch went public. Obviously, Mellon knew about Grusch when he made these comments.) Mellon: "I can tell you that there are senior Pentagon people who do not believe that there's any crash material [and] do think that this is all bogus, they think it's rubbish. And, uhhh, and, you know, much less disclosure. And I'm talking about very, very senior people who have access to a lot of information. And they're saying, in some cases, to the people on The Hill, 'What are you talking about?' And, you know, 'Show us the evidence.' And, you know, they're mystified, still. "So, the UFO community, of which I'm a part, I guess, but you know, we have a tendency to see and hear, you know, one side of the story in our own stuff. And there's a lot of conspiracy theories because the government has lied and concealed information, and all of those things. The conspiracy theories grow in darkness, right? "But, to the best of my knowledge, the federal government is not in charge of running, it doesn't have any big plan, and disclosure is not imminent. If it does happen, it'll be the result of the efforts of people in Congress right now, and people who are taking action. And a small number of people who may have this information, if they come forward."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2068153674862584273/amplify_video_thumb/2068146697084289024/img/vyFqUTIvqfamjkpD.jpg)
![🎥| “Well, for starters, it's not the first time I've heard a story like that, you know, of people kind of being inspired to work in the industry. Um, and I think that's really cool, you know. I've always been a big believer that the more fans that work in the music industry, the better for the music and the better for everyone, really. You know, they're definitely the most passionate people. Um, you know, especially the likes of like managements or record labels, these kind of opinions are vital. [Fan: We live it, like, quite literally.] Absolutely, absolutely, yeah. There's not really, you know, it's not about kind of guessing, it's, like you say, you guys kind of live that life. So, I think it's really, really important, it's really cool that it seems to be happening more and more, um, which I think is great. Um, in terms of the relationship with the fans, something I really, really cherish. it's a really funny thing, you know, when you've grown up together, but that ‘together’ to me is, you know, a decent chunk of people. It's a funny concept to me, really, in general. But I feel very, very lucky to have it, and I feel really—I think I've always felt quite protective over my fans as well, and I think... that is a nature of kind of growing up together, you know? I feel like we've got each other's back like that. [Fan: I feel like you have a unique relationship with your fans that is not common amongst artists today, so we really appreciate that, the effort you put in and the care.] I like to, yeah, I like to think so. I mean, I feel very, very blessed that wherever I am, you know, wherever I am, there's a certain kind of level of support and passion, you know? And that... there's a friend, exactly, that's lovely.” via Jesslyn Downey](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2076289750135099537/amplify_video_thumb/2076289681059123200/img/d08FOkXo9S1IdUN8.jpg)
![👽 Minimal, Firsthand Legacy Witnesses? 👽 (Sorry for the Debbie Downer posts but I think most people wanna hear the truth and not have smoke blown up their ass. We're all aware of folks who do that. Maybe...in the Senate, "we have a problem that there's not been quite enough of what members in the Senate would say are firsthand sources with direct involvement in the Legacy program." ~Former Senate Staffer, Kirk McConnell (In August 2024, I was told the following by a contact: "I don’t think firsthand whistleblowers are on our horizon. Tons of credible sounding second hand, though. Some with decent credentials or rank, but none with particularly great (credentials or rank), however." I shared that on here but most people didn't wanna hear it. I'm lucky to have contacts who give it to me straight, with zero hype. Some hope? "I don't think that we have to be so discouraged by the defeat of the UAPDA for the third time." ~McConnell ~~~ Kirk McConnell: "First, let me say that I'm greatly encouraged by Mr. Rep. Eric Burlison comments. He's a he's a politician. He has a way better sense of, you know, having his finger on the pulse of the Congress and the nation than I do. "I will also say that I, respectfully, don't agree with my friend Karl Nell. I don't think that we have to be so discouraged by the defeat of the UAPDA for the third time. I think there's a lot of reasons for hope that this issue, is not gonna be in a significant down cycle. And that's what I certainly hope. As we've seen from Mr. Burlison, there is certainly a lot of energy in the house among members of the Oversight Committee, and that in itself is encouraging. "You know, I hope that what I'm about to say is not true, but I think it might be, and I definitely feel that this is maybe the case in the Senate: That maybe we have a problem that there's not been quite enough of what members in the Senate would say are firsthand sources with direct involvement in the Legacy program. Looking back on history, my sense is that Congress undertakes these really historically important investigations when it is broadly clear that there's a there there and they know kind of what the outcome [will] be, at least in its broad strokes. "You know, you think about Watergate, the Church/Pike committees, Iran Contra, all of these are examples where Congress was finally moved to not take no for an answer and to just go full-speed and full-depth into exhaustive investigations when they knew that it had to be done, and that there was a pony at the end, you know, there was something very significant at the end of the process. "So, I have been getting this feedback as well from folks I've worked with in the Senate, that there needs to be more firsthand witnesses. And how do you encourage that? I think we also hear that there's quite a number of other people out there that could come forward. Their concern, though, is, as we've seen, they feel that there's not, by any means, sufficient whistleblower protections, and that despite the existence of protections in the law on paper, that really doesn't get at the problem. And that they're fearful of losing their careers, their security clearances, which translates into their careers, and that they're gonna suffer immense, legal expenses and perhaps legal jeopardy. So I think whistleblower protection is extremely important. "That said, it's really hard to get whistleblower protections passed in Congress. And so you have a kind of Catch-22, and I think that's the kind of problem that needs to be overcome, incrementally. So, I also would say that it's obvious that Congress is heavily influenced by public opinion, of course, and it's really important to keep up the pressure. But that in turn, you know, the public is motivated by what they see in the news and what they hear about from from experts, and therefore, you know, that's another dependency here, "But on that score, you know one of our panelists here, Dr. Anna Brady-Estevez, I loved when she, with a bright smile on her face, has said repeatedly that, in a sense, disclosure has already happened, or is certainly happening. A significant fraction of the population believes that we are being visited by non-human intelligence and that this belief is only likely to grow. The scientific community is much more friendly to this issue than in the past. "I would also say that the NHI itself gets a vote here, and they drive a lot of this. How much interaction are they going to....how much are they going to expose what they're doing and what they're doing here? And yet, at the same time, we've got an awful lot of people out there now with the ability to, and the interest in, detecting and tracking and trying to document what is happening out there. You think about efforts like the Galileo Project, Garry P. Nolan at the The Sol Foundation and Stanford, Beatriz Villarroel and the astrophysics community, and many others are tracking fundamental aspects of this problem. And a number of scientists and engineers working on new physics concepts to explain UAP characteristics and behavior is unprecedented. You know, you think about Skywatcher as another example of a private initiative. "There's also the experiencer community, you know, the people who have had actual direct interactions, and certainly a large number of folks who report abduction experiences, who retain the ability to communicate with NHI. This can be used, and is very likely to be used or exploited to gain insight into physics and intentions and so forth. "So, I'm actually on the optimistic side. I think with work and perseverance of groups like this, we can continue to amp up the interest and the pressure on the part of the American people, and that will translate into action by the government."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1980025049777349118/amplify_video_thumb/1980011021243682817/img/yRuIlAW3fwiN2NSV.jpg)
![Phenomena, AAWSAP, Stratton and Consciousness "I keenly believe that consciousness is a key aspect of all of this, and perception." ~Jay Stratton ~ "I entered the [AATIP] program in 2008. I was asked by its director [Lacatski] to come on board and establish this program [AATIP]. And then, in 2010 is when I was asked to take over the effort." ~Lue Elizondo during WaPo Interview "Fast forward to 2015...I created a program called AATIP, which was a derivative of AAWSAP." ~Jay Stratton (As I've discussed before, AATIP (V2) didn't exist until much later (2015) than what we've been told by Lue. So what program did Lue come on board to in 2008 and which program did he "take over the effort" for in 2010 if AATIP (V2) was created by Stratton in 2015? Is that not a fair question to ask?) ~~~ Jay Stratton: "Starting back in the early 2000s, we saw the need - my colleague (Jim Lacatski. ~Joe) and I at the Defense Intelligence Agency - to start paying very close attention to this topic. Advanced technologies, emerging technologies, and really kind of the areas that the stigma has led for us to ignore for many years. "So, you know, we created a program that Hal (Puthoff) referred to as AAWSAP, you know, to address those issues. And that really started around 2005. So the DIA program, which you jumped in earlier and said the DOE or, you know, the DOD's program, and really, it's the Intelligence Community's program. DIA is part of the IC, the D in there being Defense, predominantly means the DIA looks at foreign-defense capabilities. "And we were looking at this from - and I hate to say it now - but a threat perspective. And the reason I say, 'I hate to say,' is because threat is capability plus intent, and some of these things, we just don't have an idea on the intent." (Does that mean that on some of these things we DO have an idea on the intent?) Stratton: "So, determining threat, you know, maybe it's an emerging-technologies threat or a concern anytime it can potentially exceed our own capabilities. But that DIA program focused on that, and the contract from 2008 to 2010, and then we transitioned and tried to move the program to a couple of other places. "Fast forward to 2015, I created a program called AATIP, which was a derivative of AAWSAP, and actually AATIP was a nickname for AAWSAP. And I know there's a lot of crazy names, but Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. But those 2015 events were the ones that you see now on the news: the Gimbal, the Go Fast. Ryan Graves, who usually participates in this, his wife is having a baby, currently, so he's not here (laughs). But all of those events started to happen...and those events helped fuel, you know, further highlight that need on the U.S. government side that, we gotta do something about this. "Which led to the creation of the UAP Task Force in 2018 into 2019 as when I started building it. I spent over two years building it out before the public even knew about it in 2020 when DoD established it. And at that point, it was truly a whole-of-government, interagency effort. Kind of the dream of, you know, my fifteen-years plus, at that point of looking at this topic and knowing everything that we needed with all the different authorities." (Much more on that can be found here: ) Stratton: "And that led into where we're at today with AARO, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office under DOD. And I think, you know, a few hiccups here and there, but I think now Dr Jon Koslowski, who has AARO, is approaching this problem set and dealing with the topic appropriately." (He seems like a good guy but James Fox recently said that he met with Kosloski who told him (Fox) that he (Kosloski) can't even part his hair without the DoD's permission. If that's true, and I have no reason to doubt Fox on that, I have little hope AARO will help bring Disclosure.) Stratton: "And I hope that, you know, obviously, my legacy, or the legacy of all of those involved, carries on, and that the government continues to take it seriously. And that we never have to look a pilot in the eyes again and say, 'Sorry, can't help you,' you know? Or the ridicule factor and all these other issues that happen from that." (If you want a true, lasting legacy... Push to be the UAP Czar, start another AAWSAP-like program, and do it for a few years until the world learns the truth about us not being alone on this planet and that we have craft and bodies of NHI. Allegedly, right? And help us figure out what the hell the phenomenon represents.) Stratton: "So, I mean, that's kind of the the cliff notes and the history. But the UAP Task Force recently got an award from the DNI. It's the first UFO program to get an award at that level, to my knowledge. And I'm really proud of where we're at today and and that we can have events like these to discuss this topic seriously, and everybody that's involved in putting their brands on this problem." (More on that award... ) Stratton: "I don't think we should overlook...and you had, you know, Paul (Smith) and others talk about remote viewing and that consciousness connection. I keenly believe that consciousness is a key aspect of all of this, and perception, you know, all the things that come from that. And that's an area that can get confusing, right? If you look at all of these recent drones, day-to-day, right? It's honestly driving me crazy because people are throwing in, you know, video of a Cessna Citation on final approach and calling it a UAP, you know? It's definitely a Cessna Citation. "And then folks start throwing around (laughs) the terms mimicry and other things that we've definitely looked at. And it gets like the Skinwalker Ranch, as you know I'm involved out there. You know, the things that you see, and are you really...you know, how is your brain forming that thing you're seeing and can that be manipulated? And I think that that technology is an area that, you know, I certainly focused on with my friends, Hal and others, to try to understand it." (Manipulation and perception deception. Is it a byproduct of the technology on our brains, or is it an intentional effort to deceive us? If it's the latter, that certainly doesn't seem to be a good thing for humanity, but I'm still open to all theories.) Stratton: "And that consciousness connection could be a key to understanding how some of these UAP are flying, you know, how they're acting, how they're controlled, I guess is the best way to put it, right?" (Are the craft controlled by some sort of 6th sense that the operators have and need in order to fly a craft?) Stratton: "So, you got to have that kind of open mindedness to approach this topic and I hope that my government, you know, folks are open to those kinds of things. And I know that there are still some key players that are open and thinking about...thinking out of the box about all those kinds of things. So, I mean, I think consciousness is the area that I would want to put more resources and time into if I were still there. (Yes, yes and yes. Bring back Stratton as the UAP and Consciousness Czar!) Anna Brady-Estevez: "And it's interesting because there's quite a bit of access to consciousness, you know, on a personal level-type experimentation. So it is interesting in that, you know, to get into UAPs, I mean, maybe you've seen one or more, maybe you haven't. But, if you haven't, you're kind of digging through other people's data. Whereas some of these consciousness or the remote viewing, it really just takes a couple people and a sheet of paper. So you can kind of step away pretty quickly from the, 'Do I believe the reports?' you know? Or somebody else's versus you can get to that primary experimentation at the cost of a sheet of paper, a pencil, and fifteen minutes or more of somebody's time here, at the most basic level. I mean, obviously there's extensive training to build the high-end capabilities. But some of that initial testing is pretty immediate. So thank you for bringing up that consciousness work." (When I took a basic Controlled Remove Viewing class with Lyn Buchanan (one of the OG remote viewers) in 1997, I saw the results for myself when I tried it. And right there and then, I KNEW that it worked. So people can debate with me all day long about the validity of psi and remote viewing but they won't change my mind. Seeing (and trying it for yourself) is believing.) Stratton: "I was gonna say, it took me years to move away from that nuts and bolts mentality of, you know, as an aerospace engineer, this is how it flies, thrust, you know, power, etc, you know, to...there's a lot more to this, right? Hence the name, you know, Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena, or Aerial Phenomena, however you want to look at it. That phenomena word is key in the definition and understanding of all of this." (Big H/T to neandrewthal and anybody else who let me know about this event Stratton was a part of.)](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1877251655475015686/ext_tw_video_thumb/1877218159318675459/pu/img/VKwNKdJL6fnPKkWs.jpg)
![💥 Semivan Blockbuster 💥 I know where the legacy programs are located. You should take [Grusch] and everything he says to the bank. It's our inalienable right to know about this. "I've had other people involved tell me, 'If you only knew the depth and complexity of this and if you knew how frightening it is, you would understand the government's reluctance to even admit...we're not alone.'" "I think there are probably members of the Gang of Eight, maybe not all of the Gang of Eight, who know about this." ~Semivan (Reminder of who makes up the current Gang of Eight... US Rep. Mike Turner - Jim Himes 🇺🇸🇺🇦 - Mark Warner - Senator Marco Rubio: Archived - Speaker Mike Johnson - Hakeem Jeffries - Chuck Schumer - Mitch McConnell ) ~~~ My comments in ( ) Jim Semivan: "...in the end, and I've I've mentioned this to people in Congress...basically what's going on is a battle between the executive branch and the government entities that work for the executive branch, primarily, and then Congress themselves. Congress has a right to oversee anything where U.S. government funds are being used. The executive branch, on the other hand, is basically saying, 'Look, that may be the case, and we will advise Congress, but not at the level you want us to advise Congress.' "I think what's going on now is, there are these legacy programs that are out there. I'm not gonna get into where they are located. I do know where they're located, and, you know, and things along those lines. Dave Grusch, by the way...a very, very nice man. You should take him and everything he says to the bank. I mean, he's not uttered a false word, as far as I know, and I gotta commend him for coming out like this and putting his reputation on the line and everything else. "But what you have really is this idea that - and it's not just national security, per se - but you have Congress saying, 'Look, we need to know everything about this.' And you have the executive branch coming back and saying, 'Well, no, because there are other elements of this that you're not aware of that we don't think would be suitable for public disclosure, or even for disclosure to most members of Congress. "So I think what's happened is, in the very beginning, I think what had happened was Eisenhower, or maybe Truman, but probably Eisenhower, sometime in the early 50s - in other words, to get this whole topic of UFOs and UAPs under control - probably executed a presidential, executive action document. Which basically, is pretty interesting, not many people know about those. But the president has rather extraordinary powers and under extraordinary circumstances, he can come out and he can basically say, 'Okay, we're going to do X,Y and Z and this is who we're gonna tell and this is who we're not gonna tell, 'and that's that's pretty much it. And it has a pretty strong, legal precedent. And I think that's what happened. "And I think what he did was basically say, 'I will notify...we'll make this, what we now call...back in those days, we didn't have that, but what we now call a waivered (waived ~Joe) unacknowledged Special Access Program. Which basically means that nobody gets to know what the hell it is unless you're on this BIGOTED list, this very, very highly restricted list. And usually, that would only include the president and whoever he deems it necessary for them to know." ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (When Admiral Wilson found the crash retrieval program in 1997 and visited the location, he wasn't given access and a tour but was shown the BIGOT list. It included the names of civilian program employees but no names from the White House, no president and no members of Congress or their staffers. A handful were Pentagon individuals that Wilson recognized, a few were from the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology, and someone at the NSC who was a Pentagon SES employee.) Wilson/Davis Notes ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Semivan: "So, I think that's what's what's going on here and I think Congress wants to know more about it. And I think there are members of Congress who know about this. I think there are probably members of the Gang of Eight, maybe not all of the Gang of Eight, who know about this. But I think over the years, the past 80 years, that Congress has been informed, but in a very, very limited way. Now, you can make a strong case, I think, by saying that, 'No, this is something we need to know.' You said this in 'Them,' one of the very last things you said was, 'We need to organize a way to find this, organize it and what have you, and theorize about it.' But you also said it was the right, our inalienable right - and I agree with you - to know about this." Whitley: "It's a right but it's a rather dangerous one." Semivan: "Yeah. Let me also add...when you think about this, there are national security issues, naturally, associated with this but I don't think that's enough not to say, 'Look, we're being visited,' or 'We have visitors and we're not alone in the Universe or other non-human intelligences are around.' But you have to wonder - and let me give the government here the benefit of the doubt in some respects - why over 80 years...what did they know? What did they come across that is so problematic that they will not discuss this in any way, shape, or form? That's something that I've been thinking about and I've had other people involved tell me, 'If you only knew the depth and complexity of this and if you knew how frightening it is, you would understand the government's reluctance to even admit something that's...what is so obvious to all of us, is that we're not alone and there are other non-human intelligences with us on this planet." #ufos #ufoX #uap #aliens #paranornal #supernatural](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1746261347636215937/ext_tw_video_thumb/1746241224082923520/pu/img/hZYEsRTFCuj3IW5y.jpg)