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ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั ๐Ÿฅ€ ๐Ÿ–ค๐”๐”ฆ๐”Ÿ๐”ข๐”ฏ๐”ฑ๐”ž๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ž๐”ซ ๐”Š๐”ฌ๐”ฑ๐”ฅ๐Ÿ–ค๐Ÿฅ€
๐Ÿฅ€ ๐Ÿ–ค๐”๐”ฆ๐”Ÿ๐”ข๐”ฏ๐”ฑ๐”ž๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ž๐”ซ ๐”Š๐”ฌ๐”ฑ๐”ฅ๐Ÿ–ค๐Ÿฅ€9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

I repost this every time I see it.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Callin All Frens
Callin All Frens9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

@XXPrimarch >"Punk was always left wing" Never heard of skinheads?

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั ๐Ÿฅ€ ๐Ÿ–ค๐”๐”ฆ๐”Ÿ๐”ข๐”ฏ๐”ฑ๐”ž๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ž๐”ซ ๐”Š๐”ฌ๐”ฑ๐”ฅ๐Ÿ–ค๐Ÿฅ€
๐Ÿฅ€ ๐Ÿ–ค๐”๐”ฆ๐”Ÿ๐”ข๐”ฏ๐”ฑ๐”ž๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ž๐”ซ ๐”Š๐”ฌ๐”ฑ๐”ฅ๐Ÿ–ค๐Ÿฅ€9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

@XXPrimarch Then they argue the โ€œNazi Punks Fuck Offโ€ thing as if they were an anomaly of non-leftists.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Callin All Frens
Callin All Frens9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

@LibertarianG0th @XXPrimarch Yeah they sold out big time. Many such cases...

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Tom Rowsell
Tom Rowsell9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

If there were no right wing punks then why would there be so many songs complaining about right wing punks? Also even Anarcho band Crass was anti-Marxist

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั ๐•ฏ๐–Š๐–†๐–™๐–๐•พ๐–š๐–—๐–Œ๐–Š
๐•ฏ๐–Š๐–†๐–™๐–๐•พ๐–š๐–—๐–Œ๐–Š9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

Frank Zappa also knew whatโ€™s up

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั ACME's #1 Customer
ACME's #1 Customer9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

Frank understood.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Dr_cume
Dr_cume9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

Sure

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั HarbingerOfDOOM
HarbingerOfDOOM9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

Punk was never left/right. Punk was anti-establishment. There is a massive difference between the two.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั The Stolid Bovine
The Stolid Bovine9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

In my experience as a skater punk in the 80's, there was no left and right. It was individual freedom vs collectivism coupled with a deep distrust of authority.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั OldSchool
OldSchool9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

Punk was always working class. Working class was always right leaning but anti-authority above all. The 2nd wave were the trust fund posers and commie larpers.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Mr. Reply Guy
Mr. Reply Guy9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

@XXPrimarch What do i need to do to convert your from libertarian to right wing?

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั ๐Ÿฅ€ ๐Ÿ–ค๐”๐”ฆ๐”Ÿ๐”ข๐”ฏ๐”ฑ๐”ž๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ž๐”ซ ๐”Š๐”ฌ๐”ฑ๐”ฅ๐Ÿ–ค๐Ÿฅ€
๐Ÿฅ€ ๐Ÿ–ค๐”๐”ฆ๐”Ÿ๐”ข๐”ฏ๐”ฑ๐”ž๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ž๐”ซ ๐”Š๐”ฌ๐”ฑ๐”ฅ๐Ÿ–ค๐Ÿฅ€9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

@XXPrimarch Trump converted me to libertarian with his bump stock ban. ๐Ÿ™ƒ

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Mr. Reply Guy
Mr. Reply Guy9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

@XXPrimarch Agreed on that. I'd give you a machine gun if I were in charge. If forced to pick between Trump/random dem, who you picking?

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั The Tuscan
The Tuscan9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

I know goths and don't know a single left wing one. Most are libertarian with mild right tendencies.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั VLAD THE INCONTINENT ๐Ÿฆ‡
VLAD THE INCONTINENT ๐Ÿฆ‡9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

Crass - Bloody Revolutions (1980)

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั stender skum
stender skum9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

I remember these days. I ran in a circle of punks. We had various contradicting belief systems, but we got along great. The culture war destroyed this.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Mad Scribe Games LLC
Mad Scribe Games LLC9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

The Overton Window has been moved. Johnny Rotten is now considered "far right" by the left-wing.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Gent Lemann
Gent Lemann9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

I'm an old punk, and my whole mentality was "Leave me alone." Turns out I was libertarian.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Robert Wright - Dark Fantasy Author and Musician
Robert Wright - Dark Fantasy Author and Musician9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

Fucking morons, Punk is anti-establishment and always was in the late 70ies and early 80ies when punk was still underground. Punk didn't become "left wing" until it got swallowed up by corporate record companies in the 90ies. Now "punk" is just a label used to sell albums. ๐Ÿ™„

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Wallachian Dragon โ˜ฆ๏ธ๐Ÿฉธ๐Ÿท
Wallachian Dragon โ˜ฆ๏ธ๐Ÿฉธ๐Ÿท9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

It's so funny that punk and Goth were always about pushing against the norms not about politics but that'd interfere with the current left's ideas because they're intolerant and forget that the liberals of the 90s and 00s have more in common with the Libertarians of today.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั im him
im him9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

gothic and libertarian? you gained a new follower

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั AVERYK
AVERYK9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

Punk is against the system, the leftist Boomer hippies have become the system, so if you support them, can you really call yourself punk?

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั fex
fex9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

Yea no! I'm not leftwing and I been Goth since I was a teenager and old AF now in my mid forties. Young Goths to have so much privilege! Back in the 90's I was shanked twice for being Goth, not one of these goths gotten bullied and it shows. They need to find out

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Cliff Hamrick
Cliff Hamrick9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

One of the things that the kiddos today don't understand is that the punk movement was a rebellion against the corporate mainstream. But it was also a rebellion against the leftie hippie culture which had dominated America for 20 years. Like today, being on the left is actually being a part of the establishment. That's why being conservative is the new punk.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Partikill VFX
Partikill VFX9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

I like how in the past punk/goth was about what music you listened to. Now subculture is what gender or sexuality you identify with. Is it because music is just shite nowadays?

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั ๐Ÿฅ€ ๐Ÿ–ค๐”๐”ฆ๐”Ÿ๐”ข๐”ฏ๐”ฑ๐”ž๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ž๐”ซ ๐”Š๐”ฌ๐”ฑ๐”ฅ๐Ÿ–ค๐Ÿฅ€
๐Ÿฅ€ ๐Ÿ–ค๐”๐”ฆ๐”Ÿ๐”ข๐”ฏ๐”ฑ๐”ž๐”ฏ๐”ฆ๐”ž๐”ซ ๐”Š๐”ฌ๐”ฑ๐”ฅ๐Ÿ–ค๐Ÿฅ€9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

I think you may be on to something there. ๐Ÿ˜†

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Cemetery Man
Cemetery Man9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

No, punk was always anti-establishment, which, yes, historically has been left wing. Not so much the case today where the left has become the very establishment it swore to destroy.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Philgrim
Philgrim9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

Punk is anarchy. Anarchy is no government and personal responsibility which is the complete opposite of the left. It has more in common with old time country which is usually far right / libertarian. Punk became faggy/bootlicking in the 2000/2010 era and is not considered punk by any OG.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Cornbread Red
Cornbread Red9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

Clearly they never met the Ramones or the original godfathers of punk whose majority were conservatives and/or libertarian.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Jonas
Jonas9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

The idea that non-conformist movements have always been not only exclusively-, but inherently left-wing is nothing more than a historical revisionism seeking to dismantle the idea that leftism can be critiqued and opposed by those who exist outside the status quo.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั 1000HolyPlacesโ›ช๏ธ
1000HolyPlacesโ›ช๏ธ9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

Literally every goth I knew in high school is now a die-hard conservative. LOL

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Nate k ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ
Nate k ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

@frenlyfritz

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Breezy
Breezy9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

The only politics I ever really encountered in punk and goth was being individualistic, anarchy and antiestablishment. I have always felt like there were a lot of sheep that wore the clothing are didnโ€™t believe the beliefs or walk the walk. They were just sheep with mohawks. Those are the people they call themselves punk today, acting like they know what the fuck theyโ€™re talking about and pushing communism. Completely antithetical the original movement. The original libertarian platform is probably closest to punk. Thatโ€™s been taken over by the Chase, OLIVER Wing as well.

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั SeanHiruki ๐ŸŽƒ๐Ÿ‘ป๐Ÿ’€
SeanHiruki ๐ŸŽƒ๐Ÿ‘ป๐Ÿ’€9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

@ARedLionheart Half of the Ramones (the founders of punk) were conservative so that argument is already in faulty ground

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Slick Will & The Layabouts
Slick Will & The Layabouts9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

I wrote this song to mock modern punks for having lost the plot and being collectivist

ะคะพั‚ะพ ะฟั€ะพั„ะธะปั Mike Babb
Mike Babb9 ะผะตััั†ะตะฒ ะฝะฐะทะฐะด

Yup, I have been goth since the 80s and I am a conservative leaning libertarian. It has never been just left wing. Suddenly over the past ten or fifteen years gatekeepers have been pushing goth is only for the left. I have been kicked out of many goth groups for being anticommie.

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