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I've seen some of those 46 videos. "They're interesting, but don't certainly prove the case that I've presented." ~Grusch (I've stated my concern that the 46 videos may not be impressive enough to move the needle with the masses, which we so desperately need.) Grusch: "Chairwoman Rep. Anna Paulina... show more
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![[UAP], "were frying the equipment on the aircraft. Some of our most state-of-the-art technology." ~Luna (Note: Transcript is much longer than video clip below) 🤔 Luna: There Are No "Holy Shit" Videos That I've Seen That The Public Has Not 🤔 The 46 videos we requested, "have all now been declassified." ~Rep. Anna Paulina Luna "ALL 46 [videos] have not been released." ~Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell to Me (I'd like to get that clarified from Rep. Luna) "If they would release the things that I've seen, you would stay up at...you'd be up at night worrying about, or thinking about this stuff." ~Rep. Tim Burchett Press Office to Rob Finnerty And Burchett added that we'd, "come unglued." We also had this... "It was one of those moments where everyone in the room gasped. Everyone. Even the staffers who are like, the most skeptical people in the room just gasped when they saw that video. Because there's not a single aerial thing that can do something like that, that can pull that off." ~Rep. Eric Burlison (Has that video been released?) Compare that to what Luna said... Douthat: "Is there anything else out there (video-wise) that is like, a holy-shit moment?" Luna: "As far as a lot of the meat and potatoes that we've been able to see and gotten briefings on, it's, for the most part, been put out." (So nothing to keep us up at night or to make us come unglued, or...make us gasp. I appreciate her being level headed with that and not hyping it. So, what are Burlison and Burchett talking about? I have learned to see things for myself first before getting too excited about what others say about x, y and z. Some of those videos in the two releases ARE very interesting but nothing has kept me up at night or made me gasp. Do videos like that even exist? It's not the first time I've asked that question.) ~~~Extended Transcript from Segment~~~ Douthat: "You have had access, before these videos were released. In what context have you seen these videos before they were released? Luna: "So I went into the SCIF and...I went and actually observed and saw all the videos before they were released to go through, numerically, to make sure that those were the ones that correlated to the ones that we had actually put out in the request. So those have all now been declassified." Douthat: "All of the ones?" Luna: "Yeah, in the list." (Remember: Regarding the list of 46, Corbell told me that, ""ALL 46 [videos] have not been released.") Douthat: "But how did you get the list of videos in the request?" Luna: "We had a group that came forward, it was bipartisan, former whistleblowers from the intelligence community that had access to... I would compare it to something like YouTube that exists within the intelligence community. And they came up with the files, and they said you need to get access to these files and have them released. And so, before the order came out from the President, we had come up with this list. We had been getting push back, and then after [Trump] gave the green light for it, it was declassified, and those are now up and able to be [viewed] at the Department if War." Douthat: "And what do you think they show?" Luna: "Well, there's some interesting stuff. I think that they show UAPs. There has been one of the videos that has since been debunked to be actually the infrared that was picking up aircraft that was farther in distance, but the optics are kind of an illusion in that sense. So there's been one that's been debunked. But there are ones that they cannot explain. They've tried to cross-reference it with other data, and the way that these things are maneuvering are pretty wild. And so, again, I think that they show UAPs in some instances." Douthat: "Right. And you think that one reason to take this stuff seriously is that they correlate with direct-pilot testimony of the kind that you've heard, right. So it's not like, I'm just... Imagine the completely skeptical listener or viewer, of which there are reasonably many, who says, 'Okay, you have some number of videos, we don't know what they are, but if one of them turns out to be sort of some prosaic explanation, we can assume a lot of them will be.' So what else makes you think..." Luna: "In the specific incident of Eglin Air Force Base, which is where we had the pilot testimony and we were able to see some images, these things were frying the equipment on the aircraft. Some of our most state-of-the-art technology is getting completely fried." Douthat: "And this is something that pilots told you had happened to them? Luna: "Yes, yep. Now, the other issue is, sometimes pilots won't report because they don't want to be taken off flight status. So there's removing the stigma of if you're supposed to have safe flying. You want to also track national security issues. You have to be able to document this stuff. But when you have this type of stuff impacting military training, impacting flight operations, impacting our technology, it's a problem. "We should follow up, and then say, 'Okay, well, is this technology that, potentially, could be advanced tech from adversary nations? I don't, necessarily, think that's the case, because if that was true, we wouldn't be number one, currently. Some of this stuff that we're seeing is pretty wild. You saw the New York Times report (2017 and the Tic Tac ~Joe), and just how it's defying physics, if you will. But then the other aspect of, what can we as Congress do next? We can declassify. I don't think, you know, this aspect of people saying it's not enough..." Douthat: "Are there things that you've seen in a SCIF, or not in a SCIF, that are wilder than this (the videos that have already been released)? That would like, make the front page of the New York Times as, you know, no one can be skeptical anymore?" Luna: "No, I think the aspect of, do I have, you know, a location where there's a little green man on a slab in a fridge (laughs). I don't think I'm gonna get that (laughs)." Douthat: "Wait, we're gonna get to that. Just stick with the videos. Is there anything else out there that is like, a holy-shit moment?" Luna: "Well, I think that there's probably going to be some more release of other videos as well, other testimony. They're still combing. But, as far as a lot of the meat and potatoes that we've been able to see and gotten briefings on, it's, for the most part, been put out."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2064130794973774042/amplify_video_thumb/2063015130917732352/img/1I_Up7yZ_LcHIuXv.jpg)
![🛸 Are Dr. Phil and Grusch About to Take a Road Trip Out West to See Non-Human Craft and Cadavers 🛸 "Sometimes those certain things [non-human craft] are hard to move, you know, when they're a particular size." ~Grusch (Looks Like Ross Coulthart and Rep. Eric Burlison had some pretty good sources on the craft too big to move.) Dr. Phil: "I guess my question to you is: If the President said, 'Okay, Dr. Phil - with or without cameras, whatever - if David knows where these things are, and [I gave you] the clearance to accompany [Grusch] there...' "[Do] you have the ability to take me to where we could see a craft and a cadaver somewhere, somehow.?" Grusch: "Oh yeah, we could take a little field trip out west, we'll say, yeah. And we could certainly go to those facilities, so." Dr. Phil: "And you believe there would still be something at one of these places that we would be able to actually see (knocks on the table), knock on something three dimensional that's there?" Grusch: "Yeah. Yeah, sometimes those certain things are hard to move, you know, when they're a particular size, it's a little bit laborious to move. So I think there's some locations that likely are untouched because... I'll be very vague on that. Not to spook the herd." Dr. Phil: "Yeah, I understand, and I don't... You know, I've discussed this with the President. I've discussed it with Stephen Miller, I've discussed it with Representative Burchett and and Luna. I've had discussions, and I believe there are people from the President on down that truly want transparency and believe that the American people are entitled to know their circumstance in the Universe. I believe they truly want that to happen." (I think Luna and Burchett want it. Not so sure about Miller, and I'm skeptical that Trump cares either way. But if we have (or had) live non-human beings in captivity, as Grusch spoke about in this interview. how could he NOT care?) Grusch: "Yeah." Dr, Phil: "I think it gets garbled downstream."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2087992761421357222/amplify_video_thumb/2087984273924263936/img/tlkM-QbGI7xUI1yp.jpg)
![🛸👽🔥 Grusch is Back! More Excellent Coverage! 🔥👽🛸 🛸👽🔥 Grusch: I've Seen Intelligence Reports Featuring Photos of Craft and Bodies of Non-humans - Trump is Certainly Very Well Informed on UAP 🔥👽🛸 (Partial and rushed transcript) "There's some other things that are happening behind the scenes that I'll let the [Tump] administration discuss when they're ready." Why are they here? "Could it because we have interesting genetic material on Earth? We're a Jurassic Park tourist attraction for them? Could be a myriad of reasons." ~ Grusch: "I was, actually, partially cleared into some of those activities. It was beyond oral testimony provided to me. I actually had partial access to the data and actually read the intelligence reports resulting from those programs." Baier: "With your own eyes? You saw it?" Grusch: "Correct. Yes." Where's the evidence? Grusch: "Certainly members of this current administration are very well aware of this reality. Certainly, the current president is very knowledgeable on this subject, and I trust his leadership on it, and I think he's assembled in an A team cabinet. And I really believe if Trump wants to be the greatest president and the most consequential leader, likely in world history, he certainly has the knowledge, the capabilities and understanding of some of these sensitive government transparency issues." ~ Trump (from a clip): "I've never been convinced. For some reason, it's not my thing." ~ Baier: " So you think, one, he knows, and two, he's open to transparency on UAPs?" Grusch: "He certainly is very well informed on this issue. I'll leave it at that. I don't want to get ahead of what the President might want to reveal, personally." Baier: "And when you mentioned in that testimony of recovering the pilots or remains, non-human? That's something that you saw, as far as the intelligence, with your eyes?" Grusch: "Yes. And it is a very uncomfortable, even for me now, as somebody who's seen it, experienced it, even talking about it, because it's so outside a normal person's world view, to understand that there is this biological sentience that have piloted these crafts, that don't necessarily look 100% like you and I." Baier: "Were there pictures, were there?" Grusch: "There were. Yes, there were." Baier: "We recovered things, you say." Grusch: "Yeah." Baier: "Bodies and physical remains. Was there a sense that the motive of whether...how they got here, what they were doing? Was it peaceful? Not peaceful?" Grusch: "We've seen a mixed bag of activity. And, motive and intent, why they're visiting? Once again, that gets into our assessments, not necessarily...we can't quite understand the intent of some of the sentience and why they're visiting. Could it because we have interesting genetic material on Earth? We're a Jurassic Park tourist attraction for them? Could be a myriad of reasons." "I believe there's an appetite with the administration to do the right thing on this as well. And there's some other things that are happening behind the scenes that I'll let the administration discuss when they're ready."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1992022768041488863/amplify_video_thumb/1992016775597432832/img/PAP492fKEDLWC_SF.jpg)
!["I'm telling the administration...that if they don't release those [videos I've seen], then I have the capabilities of getting those videos and releasing them." ~Burlison (Transcript and comments by me on one of my fav segments in a long time.) ~ Will Cain: "Missouri Republican Congressman, Rep. Eric Burlison, joins me now. Congressman, thanks for being with us here today. You and I, Congressman, I think we've had a very candid conversation together. We have both talked about the fact that I am open and curious about this subject of UAPs, but I do feel like we're at a place where evidence needs to start meeting expectations. What we've seen today, what does this tell us? Does this meet any expectation?" Burlison: "I think that there's...we have to take a step back and recognize the historic nature of this. Every president prior to President Trump has really demurred any kind of questions on this. They dismissed them, they would not talk about it. People would, if anything, snicker or sneer anytime this kind of subject came up. So the fact that we have a president who is open and willing and trying to be transparent is something to celebrate. "That being said, I think that this is a teaser, this is a kind of a, you know, something to open up with. This was the low-hanging fruit kind of videos and content for this administration to release. A lot of this has been...some of this has been out there before. It's not been acknowledged, right? So, you're looking at Apollo 17 video..." Cain: "I've seen the same thing said by Rep. Tim Burchett Press Office. That this is sort of the beginning, and there will be other releases that could leave Americans with a holy crap moment. I believe that's a direct quote from Congressman Tim Burchett." (This is what Burchett tweeted today: Burchett: "The 1st drop will be big but in comparison to what is coming they will be a drop in the bucket. I would say 'Holy Crap' is coming." I hope so. Or people are going to be upset that the videos and evidence didn't meet the hype, and you may see a lot of people losing interest in this topic. Last month, he told Elizabeth Vargas: “I’ve seen pictures and video of things that defy any reason that we have." ~Burchett And also last month, he told NEWSMAX: “If they would release the things that I've seen, you would stay up. You'd be up at night worrying about or thinking about this stuff... And for the record, I'm not suicidal and I don't take risks.” ~Burchett (That's some major hype there and, again, I hope future videos live up to it. I'm gonna guess that Burlison is NOT a fan of getting people's expectation up like that.) Cain: "My question for you, or the congressman, would be: Why? Why slow roll this out like it's a season of 'Game of Thrones'? Like, why would Episode 1 be somewhat uninspiring - leave us with more questions than answered - if there's something coming after the teaser? What's the point in staging the release?" Burlison: "So, again, this...just from talking with the White House and this administration, this is not an easy thing to do. There's not one huge repository of all of these documents and videos and photos. Despite what most people believe, they're really...at least we haven't found that one, you know, big repository. So what the Agency is doing is going and finding, first and foremost, the items that are readily available to be released. And they wanna be quick...move quickly and release those." (Okay, so they haven't located the best videos yet? Then what was Burchett shown? And if what he was shown is really THAT amazing, why haven't those videos or photos been released? Drip, drip? The excuse that they haven't been able to locate them yet doesn't hold water IF Burchett's take is accurate and they showed him SOMETHING that blew his mind and will blow our minds. Or, did he just hype it up and whatever he saw is really not that impressive? As I've asked several times in the past: Do these amazing videos actually exist?) Burlison: "I would ask you, would you prefer to have them wait for, you know, years, what would probably take years if they were to do a comprehensive study and then release it all at once, in one big batch? I would prefer that they release it as they find it, and I think that that's...this administration wants to be transparent and do that." (Great! How about releasing what Burchett was referring to in his interviews?) Cain: "My criticism is not for the decisions of the administration." (Well, if the Trump administration isn't releasing the best of the best videos that they already have in their possession because they're afraid of how Americans (and the world) might react (fear and panic), then they DO deserve some criticism, right?) Cain: "My criticism is for the expectation built by many out there that have these conversations, that there will soon be a bomb to drop when it comes to revelations about aliens." (Burchett, and then Rep. Anna Paulina Luna with her repeated comments about interdimensional beings. Luna: "...this is something you can go back and watch with the Congressional hearings - but I was actually able to ask some of the witnesses, 'What are these things?' And they keep saying interdimensional. "I wouldn't call them aliens. I really like what Grusch calls it. He says that they're interdimensional beings and he's very specific about that." Grusch has NEVER said that, nor has any witness who testified in front of Congress, so I have no idea where she's getting that from.) Cain: "And, if that's true, are we trying to prepare the American people with a slow drip, drip, drip tease of this stuff? If not, then Congressman, I would say, if this is all we've got, then I'm not sure that there's anything the American government really has that tells us anything about the existence of aliens? I'm just beginning to feel like this entire story is teased out always just beyond our reach." (That's why we need just ONE (for starters) clear and close-up video of an object performing maneuvers that we thought were impossible. And as of right now, we don't have that. I've said this many times. Does that type of video exist?) Burlison: "I can sense your frustration. I've experienced it personally myself. I've seen videos that I think are in the process of being declassified, so I think that there is more to come. If they're not going to be declassified, I'll probably do an effort to release them myself under Speech and Debate." (In short, the Speech or Debate clause says that a Senator or Representative can speak freely about anything, or share anything, in either house of Congress and have absolute immunity from civil or criminal liability. I'll link to an example in the replies.) Burlison: "But again, a lot of the footage that I've seen is similar to what has been released today. There's some that are pretty interesting, and especially given the environment and the circumstances of the videos. Whether they are videos of UAP that are flying around Russian submarines or a video of our aircraft that are firing on some of these UAPs? I've seen those kind of videos. And so I'm teasing that because I know that...I'm telling the administration, through you (Will Cain) at this moment, that if they don't release those, then I have the capabilities of getting those videos and releasing them." (How much better are those videos than what we've seen today?) Cain: "Can I say one more thing about this, congressman? I expect you and I will have much longer conversations like we have in the past, where we have fewer time constraints. But what I'm seeing here, and we're sharing today, and what's been released, there are probably hundreds, perhaps 1000s, of explanations for what we see on these video screens. They don't lead us directly to extraterrestrial or out-of-this-world explanations. "Is there something else? Is there some other proof that you've seen? Is there a more compelling video that can't be described or explained as a drone or a light refraction or any other thing. Again, I'm not cynically dismissing these things, as I've always mentioned to you. I'm open and curious. I just don't think the evidence is meeting the moment." (I agree with Cain. The government-released or government-acquired footage just doesn't get us over the hump with the masses and skeptics.) Burlison: "I think you and I are at the exact same place. I continue to look for these things and try to follow the narrative that people are saying. Follow the historical narrative that we have a crash retrieval program, and this is the kind of information I keep getting presented. It doesn't mean that we don't stop looking." Cain: "Fair." (If we have recovered craft and bodies of non-humans, and it can be PROVEN, then these videos from today will be forgotten instantly.) Burlison: "And I have...and so the White House and the ODNI is looking for the next places to go investigate. And I think that...and they've actually been open in asking me where those next places should be, and so we're offering..we're gonna be working to offer those locations. A lot of this, Will, is gonna be in the hands of these agencies that are quasi-private or private companies, and that's gonna be a harder dig for this, for this administration to do, but that's where I think we're gonna get to the truth." (Let's start with the "holy crap" videos Burchett hyped and saw and see if they are as good as he's claiming.) Cain: "Well, to his defense, the President hasn't made big promises about what this would reveal. I don't think I can say that about everyone who purports to have seen something that there are big revelations, and so far, the evidence in the videos haven't met the promises. I do hope we continue to see more, congressman. I hope you do fight so we can see more. Obviously, transparency and answers is what we're seeking here on what would be a gigantic issue. Congressman Burlison, thanks, as always, for your time." Burlison: "Anytime."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2052883224360268226/amplify_video_thumb/2052858049346588672/img/orKO2FR28wwc7S1J.jpg)
!["It's not a congressional program. Only the president can say anything about this." ~Semivan Semivan: Congress Doesn't Have the Right or Need-To-Know About a Crash Retrieval Program Thoughts? Grusch decided Congress had a need-to-know, and Congress hadn't been told. "Which I don't think was true." ~Semivan ~~~ Semivan: "Some of the congressmen now that are being briefed (laughs) on it are not very happy because they think they have a right to know this. And I like to point out, I spoke to a couple of the committees and I told them, 'Look, it's not a congressional program. It's an executive program, and it's run by the president and only the president can say anything about this. I can't say anything about it, the president has to come out.'" (Note: Semivan was careful to cover his azz and say these were answers about a, hypothetical, crash retrieval program. Although, from his past comments, I'm pretty sure he knows (or at least believes) it exists. See here: Semivan Blockbuster I know where the legacy programs are located. You should take [Grusch] and everything he says to the bank. It's our inalienable right to know about this. ) ~ Semivan: "It's what Dave Grusch said. Dave Grusch...worked for AARO (He meant the UAPTF) and he went to various intelligence agencies and questioned the people that were actually working on these programs. And they all told them the same thing, the same story. So he takes this back, and he decides Congress has a need-to-know, and Congress hasn't been told. Which I don't think was true. He didn't know that, but he thought the public also had a right to know. And I'm perfectly fine... He did the exact right thing you're supposed to do if you're a government employee if you think there's something going on that's not legal. And he did it the right way. So, I give him a load of credit for that. And then he explains what it was, and then he's briefing some of the congressmen on this. Now the congressmen are upset, saying, 'Well, wait a minute, we're in charge of spending for the government and what have you. We should have the ability to know this.' But what Congress doesn't realize is these programs, you know, they exist at a very, very high classified level. They're Special Access Programs, and I would say, maybe the Gang of Eight, if them, have the clearances to basically know of these programs. And even if they were to be told of the programs, they could never discuss it, nor could they ever debate it, publicly. It's not theirs to do. They would be told, officially, but just, you know, as a professional courtesy that these things are going on. "Don't forget, the CIA works directly for the President of the United States, all right? So if the CIA would be running this program (AFAIK, they are. ~Joe), they just, basically, talk to the president and the president talks to them. And those conversations are not subject to congressional notification, approval or anything else. And when CIA goes to the oversight committees and briefs their programs, the committees can't tell them, 'We don't like what you're doing.' Well, they can say that. But the only thing they can do, they can't stop the programs. All they can do is stop the funding. "So, you know, the intelligence agencies that work directly for the president answer to him and him only, really. They do tell Congress, because Congress does give them money and there is...that's been going on since 1975 now, and it's a great thing to do. And they've been very, very open and honest with Congress, and Congress, I think, has been wonderful about it. As a matter of fact, you know, Congress has, basically, said in some of these programs, 'Holy cow, this is great! Give a round of applause, you need more money, because what you guys are doing [is] great.' The relationship has always been very good. I thought, you know, between them." (But the folks in the intelligence agencies who are aware of the alleged Legacy UAP-related programs, do NOT tell Congress about them. Except, as Semivan said, MAYBE some members of the Gang of Eight. Certainly NOT members of Congress like Rep. Anna Paulina Luna or Rep. Eric Burlison. I think they have zero chance of being read in right now.) Semivan: "But that doesn't mean if the president, like Truman or Eisenhower, issued a presidential executive-action document or something along those lines, where he said, 'This is an extraordinary circumstance. I'm creating this super-secret thing that nobody gets to know about, not even Congress.' That's, basically, his...he can do that. That's in the power, that's in the Constitution. He has that right to do that without acknowledging." (THAT is how these alleged Legacy UAP programs are protected.) Semivan: "Now, has he (a president) done that without telling somebody? Probably there's one or two people in Congress that know about it at any given time. Maybe one or two people in the National Security Council know about it. Most presidents probably got a very generalized briefing on it, you know, saying, 'Yeah, this is real. If you wanna know more, we can tell you more. But, if you know more then you don't have plausible deniability anymore. And/or, you can't do anything about it anyway, because we don't understand it. But if something happens [and] we discover something that's groundbreaking or earth shattering, we'll come back and tell ya.' "So, imagine if you're a President of the United States. Do you really want to know this? Do you really want to have that hanging on your shoulders? I think not. Particularly when you have somebody else doing the job for you."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1964791704948703671/amplify_video_thumb/1964765866677141504/img/Oc6iqDE9eLvsulqq.jpg)
![🤐 Why Won't Firsthand Witnesses Speak? 🤫 "This is treason. What's the penalty for treason? Execution." 👽 Grusch: People I Interviewed and Sent to the IG, Saw the Bodies. 👽 Jesse - Jesse Michels: "You were also honest in the (2023) hearing, and definitively said you hadn't seen the bodies." Grusch: "Not personally, no." (So what did Grusch allegedly say to cause this reaction in the office of a member of Congress?) James Fox: "What Mr. Grusch revealed to all of us, what he had seen with his own eyes, left the room speechless. It drew the oxygen out of the room. I looked at everybody in that room, and their eyeballs were popping out." (Seen with his own eyes, meaning in videos, film or photos? If Grusch saw bodies and different morphologies on video or film, why not respond to Jesse's question like this? Grusch: "That is correct. I never went to any location and saw bodies in person." That would leave the door open for him seeing it on video, film or in photographs. If he later claims he saw bodies on video, film, or in photos, people will debate whether he changed his story or not. BTW, this is a great doc Yes Theory did on Grusch and so was the one Jesse did.) ~ Jesse: "So just people who, very-high trust, you had, sort of, you know, a lot of intersection with career-wise with them, and..." Grusch: "But they have. The people that I interviewed have, and they were some of the people that were interviewed by the Inspector General. Because, that was the thing, is like, you know, people are like, 'Oh, hearsay,' whatever. "Okay, I understand. Secondhand. I, literally, brought the people, firsthand, to the authorities. I'm just here as the meeting monkey, or the like, unifier, trying to bring everybody together and bring the people who do have that knowledge to the right people. So, yeah." Yes Theory: "Which feels also, that this [was] the perfect set of circumstances for you to be the one that blows the whistle, because firsthand knowledge would have put you in a completely different category of being able to disclose this stuff, right?" Grusch: "If I became subject of a non-disclosure agreement by becoming a firsthand guy, [that] actually would have hindered me, and I would have never been able to do this. I think about some stuff I was denied access to, and if I signed that non-disclosure agreement, I would have absolutely not been able to go public this. I would have been trapped." (If the gatekeepers could see the future and knew that Grusch was going to go public, they might have had him sign an NDA and showed him the alleged NHI craft and bodies in person, if they exist. Then we never would have heard from Grusch, and who knows where we'd be right now with disclosure. So, thanks, gatekeepers!) Grusch: "So, it's actually weird that my lack of that... But knowing the people that do, though, and I brought those people to the IG, is the only way I was able to get... So, the actual reprisal stuff and the access-denial stuff actually enhanced my ability to operate. "But I will tell you, I talked to these people in the program, they are just so afraid. Because the way it was enforced over the years, the threatening nature of some of their indoctrinations, where they're like, 'This is treason, you're going to Leavenworth if you EVER tell anybody not in the program. And, oh, by the way, what's the penalty for treason? Oh, right, execution, right?" Jesse: "Did you ever at any point try to suss out whether you were being lied to?" Grusch: "Oh, 100%." Jesse: "Because all of these people are coming from the same programs, and so, presumably there's some level of coordination between..." Grusch: "Ohhh!" Jesse: "So how do you kind of get through, and just make sure that they're not, you know, meeting in some back room saying, 'You say this to Dave, I'll say this to Dave'?" Grusch: "Yeah, no, for sure. So, like, I also went out of my way to find people who don't know each other, either, that like, you know, through methods like making sure I'm not getting circular reporting, not a part of some other kind of faction that might want to push a certain narrative out. "I had very higher-ranking colleagues of mine who were part of the same effort in their official capacity, go talk to other people that I didn't even personally talk to, to keep that separation, so they didn't know that they were feeding some of that information back to me. So I had a bunch of people go out, just to make sure I wasn't being targeted. I had other people conduct oral-history interviews. But they were getting the same information. "We took all that, and I'm like, all the people who conducted those interviews, I made them get interviewed by the Inspector General. Because, we're crossing our Ts here, because this shit is crazy. And, I was... I mean, you can never be perfect, but, man, I was so freaking careful to make sure I wasn't getting fed some bullshit. "And the quality of people we talked to, if they ever go public, it'll blow your mind who we talked to. I mean, we're talking to some serious players that were like, confirmed by the Senate, you know, years ago, that we talked to, and I'll just leave it at that." (I think it's pretty obvious now that one of the people he was referring to was General James Clapper, who Grusch claimed had managing the crash retrieval program. Also, Clapper was confirmed by the Senate to be the Director of National Intelligence (2010) and Under Secretary of Defense for Intelligence (2007), so he fits the bill.) Grusch: "I mean, I hope that they eventually go public. I understand the reputational hazards, their hazards to their legacy. They might have a slightly different thought process than me about protecting the information and what should be acknowledged. But, I think if they want to do the right thing before they kind of sunset, you know, in their lives, I think this would be a noble thing to do, if they're watching right now, and, you know, they know who they are. It'd be great, yeah."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2073652149939245139/amplify_video_thumb/2073632066240196608/img/GM0xluuuk_IEO2cQ.jpg)
![🔥 Burlison to Trump: "Just waive [NDAs] completely for anything related to...non-human intelligence." 🔥 (Yes!!! He gets it. Burlison is one of the few Rs who will push (even if it's gently) the Trump admin on these issues. Make it right for whistleblowers like Grusch, Dylan Borland, Matthew and others.) Rep. Eric Burlison: "...the cost of pensions, their medical benefits, you know, etc. I think that, first and foremost, you got to make it right to those people. That will demonstrate to everybody else who wants to come forward that it's a safe place to come into. "And then I think what what Rep. Anna Paulina Luna is leading on is fantastic, in that making sure that the administration knows that there may be some times where these individuals who were working, you know, they were promoted into a system or a program. Sometimes...they're now inheriting things where they, where they realize, well, there's crimes involved in this. "And so, you know, they're kind of put in an awkward situation. Do they do their patriotic duty? What do they do? I think that providing some level of amnesty for them to be able to come forward is very, very important. And then, I finally think, also, that they need to waive the non-disclosure agreements on this topic. Particularly just waive it completely for anything related to the knowledge of life that's outside, you know, non-human intelligence. I mean, I don't see why we possibly should even allow that to be a top secret thing. "And so, if there's anything that's related to that, it should be waived. I think that that's what our ask is of this administration, as well as to continue digging into the private sector. I think that a lot of this information is in the in the hands of either the...or the archives of these federally-funded research and development centers and then further some of the some of the prime subs (subcontractors) that have been working on this topic. "And so I think that it's gonna take making it clear that to our major companies that we do business with, or do business with the United States, that it's okay to come forward. And I think that we're gonna have to have a discussion if they do have - if they're reverse engineering stuff that they got because it was from non-human intelligence - we need to make sure that we can have that conversation about intellectual property, so that those are the next steps."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2070156660132470811/amplify_video_thumb/2070153614874828800/img/pNcDajnAL8J3YoPR.jpg)
![I'm starting to get a little excited about this... "Everyone in the room gasped. Even the staffers just gasped when they saw that video. There's not a single aerial thing that can do something like that." ~Burlison 🛸 Disclosure Soon? Plus: Burlison Complained to the White House About Not Getting Recognition. Does He Have a Point? 🛸 (I appreciate the honesty from Rep. Eric Burlison but I still have some questions and comments, which are in ( ) ). Burlison: "I know that there's more to come because the White House called me and said, 'Hey, can you talk nice about this release of videos?' And I said, 'I don't even know what's in it. You guys have not engaged with us, at all.'" (Whomever is in charge of communicating with Congress on this issue needs to step up their game. I mean, Burlison has been one of the most vocal Reps. and they're not giving him a heads up on such an important, initial release? That's political, and common-sense, malpractice.) Burlison: "And I'm probably spilling the tea here a little bit, but... And they said, 'You're right, and we're now at a point where we need you, because we don't really...you've kind of done the recon on this, we don't really know where to go...take the investigation from here. Like, we kind of know where to ask and we have videos that we're still declassifying, we have content that we're still declassifying. But as far as like, where to take the investigation, who do you think we should talk to?' "And I'm like, 'You're really asking me? Of all... You're asking me who to go talk to? So I gave them a (audio cut out so I'll try my best) list of people that I've always wanted (to talk to) but they never really talked to me because they're all protected under their non-disclosure agreements and, you know, all of that kind of stuff." (If the White House wants any of those folks to talk to them, involve Trump, and/or Vance and Hegseth. That may convince them to risk it and start talking. And members of Congress need to do whatever they can to get protection, amnesty and anything else whistleblowers need to feel comfortable enough to come forward. Make it happen!) Burlison: "And so, I said, 'But I wanna...I wanna be, you gotta bring me in because I've been doing all of this work with no recognition, and so, if now, things are going to start getting real and real disclosure is gonna happen, I deserve to be a part of this.' And so, that's kind of where things are." (People may get on Burlison's case for being worried about recognition but can you blame him? He should be getting lots of praise, directly from Trump, IN PUBLIC (which will help his re-election efforts), and be given as much information as Rubio has in the National-Security-Advisor position. Maybe make Burlison and Grusch the co-UAP Czars?) Burlison: "And last night, we had about an hour and a half briefing with AARO, where we saw about 30 UAP videos. Some of them are incredible." (This is really encouraging but, as always, I wanna see some of these videos with my own eyes and see if any of them get the masses and media talking about this 24/7. That's when we'll know we're getting closer to more and more disclosure. But what about Disclosure, capital D? Meaning, will we learn about any alleged crashes, bodies, craft or analysis about intent and origin? I don't know.) Burlison: "And I'll describe the two of [the videos I saw]. One of them is of an object that is flying at a very aggressive speed, I don't know how fast. And then suddenly just instantaneously goes from whatever speed is flying... And my guess is it's flying with the wind, probably 80 miles an hour in the atmosphere, and then suddenly just goes like, Mach speed. I mean, it just instantly takes off." (Mach 1 = 767 mph. Again, we need to see this video to figure out if it's actually going as fast as Burlison claims. And if it's released, it would be nice to have data from more than one sensor.) Burlison: "It was one of those moments where everyone in the room gasped. Everyone. Even the staffers who are like, the most skeptical people in the room just gasped when they saw that video. Because there's not a single aerial thing that can do something like that, that can pull that off. (This gives me hope that future videos will contain better footage. Just how much better? Stay tuned, I guess. I've heard things hyped privately in the past and they usually fall flat and don't get the attention of the masses when made public.) Burlison: "The other video was one of a submarine, I think it's a Russian sub that we're filming. And there are about three objects that are buzzing around this Russian sub that the camera operator - who's supposed to be watching the Russian sub - suddenly starts realizing, I've gotta be watching these objects." Kim St. Onge: "I love how passionate you are about UFOs, by the way, which is why we trust you with all our UFO updates." (They then proceeded to cut off his UFO talk and changed the subject. SMDFH!!! Hope we get to see lots more videos!)](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2056135523002142818/amplify_video_thumb/2055747267202867200/img/uzrt0rWN-miyvaem.jpg)
