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Jacob Tsimerman, who won the Fields Medal this year, thinks mathematics will soon rest on proofs no one understands. He says it’s already true of many of his own theorems, which build on accepted results whose proofs he doesn’t know. Full episode:

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Memories from tomorrowvor 3 Tagen

“Do I understand it from first principles? — No”… So we were long gone, even before AI…

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Brett Hallvor 3 Tagen

Some mathematicians are like authors. I get it. They wrote most of the story but struggle with how it ends. Then an LLM comes along and finishes it in a thrilling way they never expected and get all the credit. They’re upset. Fair! But not all is lost!

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Sean McClurevor 3 Tagen

Almost all of human progress rests on pushing forward things we do not "understand."

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God Argumentsvor 3 Tagen

All this means is that math is going to be more like programming. We all stand on the shoulders of giants.

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Mattvor 2 Tagen

Seems like a reasonable and intelligent mathematician, as opposed to some other big names we won't mention.

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Finnavor 3 Tagen

Jacob needs to be like @rperezmarco . Jacob is cool but his style sucks. @rperezmarco please teach Jacob.

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starbaservor 3 Tagen

Yeah but SOMEbody knows

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Jason Moshervor 3 Tagen

Shouldn't open Ai have won the field medal? 🤣

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Jude McVeighvor 3 Tagen

So in addition to treating an LLM like God, we are now being told we will need to rely on faith in this God It's all so textbook, predictable, and sad

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SKY KINGvor 3 Tagen

Another bought medal by the tribe.

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Nights in filmvor 3 Tagen

this i have respect for

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MindReflectsvor 3 Tagen

There will be layers of mathematics. The accepted, organized and puplished results. Then there will be the wild west of machine proven results. This should also be organized and translated and in time published, once a human has understood them. Value of organizing goes up.

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p-branevor 3 Tagen

@snezanalawrence #AbolishTenure

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Dan Carvor 2 Tagen

@sama probably did a big mistake destabilizing mathematics. among many of the mistakes billionaires do thinking they know everything @elonmusk . but i feel no compassion for them because they could have asked to automate medicine. yet they did not. thought only anout themselves

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lflightningvor 3 Tagen

Admirably honest and self reflected. This is true in many areas, especially the old ones. Acceleration has been true since 1900. 1920 had people pretty much on top of physics and maths (von Neumann for instance).

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😊vor 3 Tagen

July 2026: Tsimerman announced that he would take leave from the University of Toronto to work on AI safety at OpenAI, while remaining a faculty member.

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Toposophervor 3 Tagen

AI is a catalyst for the usefulness of pure theorems, not an obstruction to human understanding.

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Thomas Twainvor 3 Tagen

Brilliant minds will always seek new challenges. Has mathematics been lost to AI? Or has humanity simply invented a new way to play the game? Perhaps the greatest achievement isn’t solving the next impossible problem, but creating an intelligence that can take us beyond the limits of our own. Is that surrender—or evolution?

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Goswineeeevor 3 Tagen

Thanks for posting this. As a layman, I have a basic question: we now know that AI is solving complex math problems at maybe a 100X rate than mathematicans, but can AI also on its own think of entirely new problems to solve, problems that have never occurred to any mathematician?

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samsonfraservor 3 Tagen

Should have a convo and not just emotionless scripted questions

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Ivan Trachvor 2 Tagen

Proofs which no one understands have no difference from hallucinations!!!! We all hope that all this will work on practice, but it is barely possible, like say, p-np is not equal. Proof is here, no practice result, no difference from hallucinations:(

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Bjarke Rounevor 3 Tagen

Nice. I fully support mathematicians gently redirection their field and colleagues away from Luddite rebellion. There is going to be need for a LOT of that in the coming years.

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Sachinvor 3 Tagen

Appreciate ppl like this

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Crio Songovor 3 Tagen

This is actually quite normal. As math branches out more, no one can keep up with all the existing proofs.

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Leonardo Callevor 3 Tagen

You know what the solution is? Genetically engineering branches of humanity to be optimized to the extreme in specific areas, even transcending the human species, though not necessarily the genus Homo. And it has to happen this century.

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Wanderer of the Starsvor 3 Tagen

Why is that a problem? It’s not like better AI models won’t understand those proofs. Humans are not required to advance our civilization.

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Marcus van der Ervevor 3 Tagen

...wise man, truly

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Hector Rosario, Ph.D.vor 3 Tagen

I love his candid account.

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ATvor 2 Tagen

@rperezmarco i could never use theorems i didn’t completely understand, so i never got off the ground mathematically, and am a failed mathematician. thats why i was interested when you asked Alpoge if he understood NS proof

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Nurmavor 2 Tagen

can you maintain a system if you don't understand it?

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Charles William Johnsonvor 3 Tagen

A mathematical proof that no one can understand would qualify as not being a proof afterall, right?

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Vineetvor 2 Tagen

uh... someone understood each subsystem of the train and someone understood how subsystems can be combined in robust ways. This is an insane thing to say.

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flo | paryonix3dvor 2 Tagen

Math solved by math - or linear algebra for that matter. Which means math dominates everything. A science solving it's own mysteries. Shouldn't this be a happy day for mathematics? 😅

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