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Jacob Tsimerman, who won the Fields Medal this year, thinks mathematics will soon rest on proofs no one understands. He says it’s already true of many of his own theorems, which build on accepted results whose proofs he doesn’t know. Full episode:

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Фото профиля Memories from tomorrow
Memories from tomorrow3 дней назад

“Do I understand it from first principles? — No”… So we were long gone, even before AI…

Фото профиля Brett Hall
Brett Hall3 дней назад

Some mathematicians are like authors. I get it. They wrote most of the story but struggle with how it ends. Then an LLM comes along and finishes it in a thrilling way they never expected and get all the credit. They’re upset. Fair! But not all is lost!

Фото профиля Sean McClure
Sean McClure3 дней назад

Almost all of human progress rests on pushing forward things we do not "understand."

Фото профиля God Arguments
God Arguments3 дней назад

All this means is that math is going to be more like programming. We all stand on the shoulders of giants.

Фото профиля Matt
Matt3 дней назад

Seems like a reasonable and intelligent mathematician, as opposed to some other big names we won't mention.

Фото профиля Finna
Finna3 дней назад

Jacob needs to be like @rperezmarco . Jacob is cool but his style sucks. @rperezmarco please teach Jacob.

Фото профиля starbaser
starbaser3 дней назад

Yeah but SOMEbody knows

Фото профиля Jason Mosher
Jason Mosher3 дней назад

Shouldn't open Ai have won the field medal? 🤣

Фото профиля Jude McVeigh
Jude McVeigh3 дней назад

So in addition to treating an LLM like God, we are now being told we will need to rely on faith in this God It's all so textbook, predictable, and sad

Фото профиля SKY KING
SKY KING3 дней назад

Another bought medal by the tribe.

Фото профиля Nights in film
Nights in film3 дней назад

this i have respect for

Фото профиля MindReflects
MindReflects3 дней назад

There will be layers of mathematics. The accepted, organized and puplished results. Then there will be the wild west of machine proven results. This should also be organized and translated and in time published, once a human has understood them. Value of organizing goes up.

Фото профиля p-brane
p-brane3 дней назад

@snezanalawrence #AbolishTenure

Фото профиля Dan Car
Dan Car3 дней назад

@sama probably did a big mistake destabilizing mathematics. among many of the mistakes billionaires do thinking they know everything @elonmusk . but i feel no compassion for them because they could have asked to automate medicine. yet they did not. thought only anout themselves

Фото профиля lflightning
lflightning3 дней назад

Admirably honest and self reflected. This is true in many areas, especially the old ones. Acceleration has been true since 1900. 1920 had people pretty much on top of physics and maths (von Neumann for instance).

Фото профиля 😊
😊3 дней назад

July 2026: Tsimerman announced that he would take leave from the University of Toronto to work on AI safety at OpenAI, while remaining a faculty member.

Фото профиля Toposopher
Toposopher3 дней назад

AI is a catalyst for the usefulness of pure theorems, not an obstruction to human understanding.

Фото профиля Thomas Twain
Thomas Twain3 дней назад

Brilliant minds will always seek new challenges. Has mathematics been lost to AI? Or has humanity simply invented a new way to play the game? Perhaps the greatest achievement isn’t solving the next impossible problem, but creating an intelligence that can take us beyond the limits of our own. Is that surrender—or evolution?

Фото профиля Goswineeee
Goswineeee3 дней назад

Thanks for posting this. As a layman, I have a basic question: we now know that AI is solving complex math problems at maybe a 100X rate than mathematicans, but can AI also on its own think of entirely new problems to solve, problems that have never occurred to any mathematician?

Фото профиля samsonfraser
samsonfraser3 дней назад

Should have a convo and not just emotionless scripted questions

Фото профиля Ivan Trach
Ivan Trach3 дней назад

Proofs which no one understands have no difference from hallucinations!!!! We all hope that all this will work on practice, but it is barely possible, like say, p-np is not equal. Proof is here, no practice result, no difference from hallucinations:(

Фото профиля Bjarke Roune
Bjarke Roune3 дней назад

Nice. I fully support mathematicians gently redirection their field and colleagues away from Luddite rebellion. There is going to be need for a LOT of that in the coming years.

Фото профиля Sachin
Sachin3 дней назад

Appreciate ppl like this

Фото профиля Crio Songo
Crio Songo3 дней назад

This is actually quite normal. As math branches out more, no one can keep up with all the existing proofs.

Фото профиля Leonardo Calle
Leonardo Calle3 дней назад

You know what the solution is? Genetically engineering branches of humanity to be optimized to the extreme in specific areas, even transcending the human species, though not necessarily the genus Homo. And it has to happen this century.

Фото профиля Wanderer of the Stars
Wanderer of the Stars3 дней назад

Why is that a problem? It’s not like better AI models won’t understand those proofs. Humans are not required to advance our civilization.

Фото профиля Marcus van der Erve
Marcus van der Erve3 дней назад

...wise man, truly

Фото профиля Hector Rosario, Ph.D.
Hector Rosario, Ph.D.3 дней назад

I love his candid account.

Фото профиля AT
AT3 дней назад

@rperezmarco i could never use theorems i didn’t completely understand, so i never got off the ground mathematically, and am a failed mathematician. thats why i was interested when you asked Alpoge if he understood NS proof

Фото профиля Nurma
Nurma2 дней назад

can you maintain a system if you don't understand it?

Фото профиля Charles William Johnson
Charles William Johnson3 дней назад

A mathematical proof that no one can understand would qualify as not being a proof afterall, right?

Фото профиля Vineet
Vineet3 дней назад

uh... someone understood each subsystem of the train and someone understood how subsystems can be combined in robust ways. This is an insane thing to say.

Фото профиля flo | paryonix3d
flo | paryonix3d3 дней назад

Math solved by math - or linear algebra for that matter. Which means math dominates everything. A science solving it's own mysteries. Shouldn't this be a happy day for mathematics? 😅

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