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llama.cpp with MTP support makes local models fast enough to use as daily drivers 🚀 Qwen3.6-27B dense generation (on A10G): From 25 tok/s → 45 tok/s (+78%). Two flags on llama-server: --spec-type draft-mtp --spec-draft-n-max 2

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Here are my results for Qwen3.6 27B MTP model vs base setup: ~30% extra speed 🔥 Used the specific MTP PR branch and downloaded the new GGUF from Unsloth AI git clone -b mtp-clean --spec-type draft-mtp --spec-draft-n-max 2

Here are my results for Qwen3.6 27B MTP model vs base setup: ~30% extra speed 🔥 Used the specific MTP PR branch and downloaded the new GGUF from Unsloth AI git clone -b mtp-clean --spec-type draft-mtp --spec-draft-n-max 2

left curve dev

13,471 次观看 • 3 个月前

$I nearly 2x'd the speed while only using +1GB VRAM with the new MTP update in llama.cpp 🤯 You need to add these flags to start using it: --spec-type draft-mtp \ --spec-draft-p-min 0.75 \ --spec-draft-n-max 2 My results with Qwen3.6 27B on a single RTX 5080 ↓ ⚪️ no flag (without mtp) → 54.3 tok/s with 13.26GB VRAM 🔵 --spec-draft-n-max 2 → 90.7 tok/s with 14.29GB VRAM 🔴 --spec-draft-n-max 2 --spec-draft-p-min 0.75 → 93.9 tok/s with 14.30GB VRAM 🟢 --spec-draft-n-max 6 --spec-draft-p-min 0.75 → 93.9 tok/s with 14.87GB VRAM Increasing to 6 draft tokens didn't help my setup for some reason. I made sure to test with a low context length to have enough headroom and eliminate risk of vram stress. From my understanding: 1) The speed gains are very task-dependent. You need to test across a wide range of tasks to get a realistic idea of the benefits 2) We’re already running heavily quantized GGUF models (Q3, Q4, Q6, etc.), so we already benefit from strong speed/performance thanks to the reduced size. That’s why some people are seeing little to no improvement compared to MLX or other quantized versions The progress over the past few days has been insane to say the least. However, MTP now consumes significantly more VRAM. Personally 16GB just isn't enough to use MTP and run it with a good context size. Time to upgrade lads, 24GB+ users are eating GOOD today 🔥 Full setup below ↓$

I nearly 2x'd the speed while only using +1GB VRAM with the new MTP update in llama.cpp 🤯 You need to add these flags to start using it: --spec-type draft-mtp \ --spec-draft-p-min 0.75 \ --spec-draft-n-max 2 My results with Qwen3.6 27B on a single RTX 5080 ↓ ⚪️ no flag (without mtp) → 54.3 tok/s with 13.26GB VRAM 🔵 --spec-draft-n-max 2 → 90.7 tok/s with 14.29GB VRAM 🔴 --spec-draft-n-max 2 --spec-draft-p-min 0.75 → 93.9 tok/s with 14.30GB VRAM 🟢 --spec-draft-n-max 6 --spec-draft-p-min 0.75 → 93.9 tok/s with 14.87GB VRAM Increasing to 6 draft tokens didn't help my setup for some reason. I made sure to test with a low context length to have enough headroom and eliminate risk of vram stress. From my understanding: 1) The speed gains are very task-dependent. You need to test across a wide range of tasks to get a realistic idea of the benefits 2) We’re already running heavily quantized GGUF models (Q3, Q4, Q6, etc.), so we already benefit from strong speed/performance thanks to the reduced size. That’s why some people are seeing little to no improvement compared to MLX or other quantized versions The progress over the past few days has been insane to say the least. However, MTP now consumes significantly more VRAM. Personally 16GB just isn't enough to use MTP and run it with a good context size. Time to upgrade lads, 24GB+ users are eating GOOD today 🔥 Full setup below ↓

left curve dev

30,086 次观看 • 3 个月前

$Gemma 4 12B QAT + MTP on 8GB VRAM. llama.cpp flags included. let's run it. 20+ tok/sec decode. 700+ tok/sec prefill. on a single RTX 4060. copy these exact flags: -m gemma-4-12B-it-qat-UD-Q4_K_XL.gguf \ --spec-type draft-mtp \ --spec-draft-n-max 4 \ --spec-draft-p-min 0.7 \ --spec-draft-model gemma-4-12B-it-qat-assistant-MTP-Q8_0.gguf \ -c 48000 -ngl 38 -v → -ngl 99 if you're on 12–24GB VRAM (RTX 3090, 4090, 4080, 3080, 4070 Ti, 3080 Ti) → -ngl 38 for 8GB setups with 48k context (RTX 4060, 3060, 2080, 2070, 3070) → drop it (or the context) lower if you're squeezing on 4–6GB (RTX 2060, 3050, 1660) my rig: RTX 4060 8GB · i7H · 16GB RAM MTP is giving me 25–40% decode throughput gains across Gemma 4 models. nearly zero VRAM cost for that bump. the draft assistant GGUF is only ~300–400MB depending on quant. one thing to know (architectural catch): unlike Qwen3.6 and Qwen3.5 models which bakes MTP heads straight into the base GGUF, Gemma 4 needs a separate draft assistant model downloaded alongside. not a big deal. just don't forget it or MTP won't run. draft assistant GGUF link → comments while you wait for anthropic mythos release, test this and drop your decode numbers below, curious how it scales across different setups.$

Gemma 4 12B QAT + MTP on 8GB VRAM. llama.cpp flags included. let's run it. 20+ tok/sec decode. 700+ tok/sec prefill. on a single RTX 4060. copy these exact flags: -m gemma-4-12B-it-qat-UD-Q4_K_XL.gguf \ --spec-type draft-mtp \ --spec-draft-n-max 4 \ --spec-draft-p-min 0.7 \ --spec-draft-model gemma-4-12B-it-qat-assistant-MTP-Q8_0.gguf \ -c 48000 -ngl 38 -v → -ngl 99 if you're on 12–24GB VRAM (RTX 3090, 4090, 4080, 3080, 4070 Ti, 3080 Ti) → -ngl 38 for 8GB setups with 48k context (RTX 4060, 3060, 2080, 2070, 3070) → drop it (or the context) lower if you're squeezing on 4–6GB (RTX 2060, 3050, 1660) my rig: RTX 4060 8GB · i7H · 16GB RAM MTP is giving me 25–40% decode throughput gains across Gemma 4 models. nearly zero VRAM cost for that bump. the draft assistant GGUF is only ~300–400MB depending on quant. one thing to know (architectural catch): unlike Qwen3.6 and Qwen3.5 models which bakes MTP heads straight into the base GGUF, Gemma 4 needs a separate draft assistant model downloaded alongside. not a big deal. just don't forget it or MTP won't run. draft assistant GGUF link → comments while you wait for anthropic mythos release, test this and drop your decode numbers below, curious how it scales across different setups.

Alok

28,957 次观看 • 2 个月前

Run Updated Gemma 4 26B A4B QAT (MoE) with Vision at 25 tokens/sec and massive 120k context window on a single RTX 4060 (8 GB VRAM + 16 GB RAM Only!!) Yesterday I pushed Gemma 4 26B A4B QAT to 250k context on a single RTX 4060 using nothing but Q8 KV cache and optimized -b and -ub flags for higher prefill throughput. Today I stacked Multi Token Prediction (MTP) self speculative decoding AND the vision projector (mmproj) on top of that same card, same batch size optimization, same $250 GPU and pushed it until it broke, then found the fix. All text only runs consist of a 28k prompt. vision runs consist of 28k text prompt + an image. # 1. MTP alone. near free decode speed, no catch MTP draft assistant is a separate small model (MTP heads are backed into the main model itself for the qwen 3.5+ models but its a separate small model for gemma 4 series), 240 MB gguf 80k ctx: Prefill 510 t/s | Decode 29.5 t/s 120k ctx: Prefill 433 t/s | Decode 29 t/s 180k ctx: Prefill 240 t/s | Decode 24.9 t/s 250k ctx: Prefill 63 t/s | Decode 13 t/s llama.cpp flags: m gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-qat-UD-Q4_K_XL.gguf --spec-type draft-mtp -md mtp-gemma-4-26B-A4B-it.gguf-c 180000 -b 1024 -ub 1024 --spec-draft-n-max 6 --spec-draft-p-min 0.7 -ctk q8_0 -ctv q8_0 # 2. Add vision on top. the tax you actually pay the vision projector gguf is about 1.1 GBs 80k ctx: Prefill 360 t/s | Decode 25.4 t/s 120k ctx: Prefill 230 t/s | Decode 23.8 t/s 180k ctx (Q8 KV): Prefill 75 t/s | Decode 12.5 t/s - cliff flags: -m gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-qat-UD-Q4_K_XL.gguf --spec-type draft-mtp -md mtp-gemma-4-26B-A4B-it.gguf -c 80000 --port 8080 -b 1024 -ub 1024 --spec-draft-n-max 6 --spec-draft-p-min 0.7 -ctk q8_0 -ctv q8_0 --mmproj mmproj-F16.gguf # 3. The fix if you want to run vision over 120k context: swap Q8 KV for Q4 KV past 120k Stack MTP + vision + Q8 KV past 120k context and you hit a wall. draft model overhead plus KV pressure tanks everything. Drop to Q4 KV and the wall disappears: 180k ctx (Q4 KV): Prefill 220 t/s | Decode 25.5 t/s -ctk q4_0 -ctv q4_0 --mmproj mmproj-F16.gguf (rest same as above) Bottom line: MTP gives you a near free +20-30% decode boost up to 120k context. Past that, it's fighting your VRAM, not helping and if vision is loaded too, Q4 KV isn't optional past 120k, it's mandatory. 30% boost is model and card specific, MTP boosted decode 2x for gemma 4 31b on a single rtx 4090. Same 8GB card. Same $250 GPU. Multimodal, speculative decoding, 180k usable context, zero upgrades. You gotta try this if you have a single NVIDIA RTX 3050, 3060, 3070, 4050, 4060, 5050 or 5060. You can try it with a 6 GB VRAM card as well but you will have to lower the context window. Hugging Face links to the updated Unsloth's QAT quants and performance graph are in the replies below. Which models are you running on your 6/8/12GB cards with MTP?

Run Updated Gemma 4 26B A4B QAT (MoE) with Vision at 25 tokens/sec and massive 120k context window on a single RTX 4060 (8 GB VRAM + 16 GB RAM Only!!) Yesterday I pushed Gemma 4 26B A4B QAT to 250k context on a single RTX 4060 using nothing but Q8 KV cache and optimized -b and -ub flags for higher prefill throughput. Today I stacked Multi Token Prediction (MTP) self speculative decoding AND the vision projector (mmproj) on top of that same card, same batch size optimization, same $250 GPU and pushed it until it broke, then found the fix. All text only runs consist of a 28k prompt. vision runs consist of 28k text prompt + an image. # 1. MTP alone. near free decode speed, no catch MTP draft assistant is a separate small model (MTP heads are backed into the main model itself for the qwen 3.5+ models but its a separate small model for gemma 4 series), 240 MB gguf 80k ctx: Prefill 510 t/s | Decode 29.5 t/s 120k ctx: Prefill 433 t/s | Decode 29 t/s 180k ctx: Prefill 240 t/s | Decode 24.9 t/s 250k ctx: Prefill 63 t/s | Decode 13 t/s llama.cpp flags: m gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-qat-UD-Q4_K_XL.gguf --spec-type draft-mtp -md mtp-gemma-4-26B-A4B-it.gguf-c 180000 -b 1024 -ub 1024 --spec-draft-n-max 6 --spec-draft-p-min 0.7 -ctk q8_0 -ctv q8_0 # 2. Add vision on top. the tax you actually pay the vision projector gguf is about 1.1 GBs 80k ctx: Prefill 360 t/s | Decode 25.4 t/s 120k ctx: Prefill 230 t/s | Decode 23.8 t/s 180k ctx (Q8 KV): Prefill 75 t/s | Decode 12.5 t/s - cliff flags: -m gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-qat-UD-Q4_K_XL.gguf --spec-type draft-mtp -md mtp-gemma-4-26B-A4B-it.gguf -c 80000 --port 8080 -b 1024 -ub 1024 --spec-draft-n-max 6 --spec-draft-p-min 0.7 -ctk q8_0 -ctv q8_0 --mmproj mmproj-F16.gguf # 3. The fix if you want to run vision over 120k context: swap Q8 KV for Q4 KV past 120k Stack MTP + vision + Q8 KV past 120k context and you hit a wall. draft model overhead plus KV pressure tanks everything. Drop to Q4 KV and the wall disappears: 180k ctx (Q4 KV): Prefill 220 t/s | Decode 25.5 t/s -ctk q4_0 -ctv q4_0 --mmproj mmproj-F16.gguf (rest same as above) Bottom line: MTP gives you a near free +20-30% decode boost up to 120k context. Past that, it's fighting your VRAM, not helping and if vision is loaded too, Q4 KV isn't optional past 120k, it's mandatory. 30% boost is model and card specific, MTP boosted decode 2x for gemma 4 31b on a single rtx 4090. Same 8GB card. Same $250 GPU. Multimodal, speculative decoding, 180k usable context, zero upgrades. You gotta try this if you have a single NVIDIA RTX 3050, 3060, 3070, 4050, 4060, 5050 or 5060. You can try it with a 6 GB VRAM card as well but you will have to lower the context window. Hugging Face links to the updated Unsloth's QAT quants and performance graph are in the replies below. Which models are you running on your 6/8/12GB cards with MTP?

Alok

16,266 次观看 • 1 个月前

I know some bros want to see what happens when we push the value even further, so here we go: ⚪️ -ncmoe 25 → 41.8 tok/s RAM: 12GB & VRAM: 6.9GB 🔴 -ncmoe 23 → 43.8 tok/s RAM: 12.2GB & VRAM: 7.4GB 🟢 -ncmoe 21 → 38.6 tok/s RAM: 12.4GB & VRAM: 7.8GB 🔵 -ncmoe 19 → 19.8 tok/s RAM: 13.8GB & VRAM: 7.8GB As you can see, there's a sweet spot with the VRAM usage. Play around and monitor to find the right value for your setup, you can use llama.cpp web ui to monitor speeds easily Sweet spot seems to be 25-23 for 8GB VRAM ✅ +40tok/s for Qwen3.6 35B with 64k q8_0 context on a 8GB card is very impressive just by using base llama.cpp, and we didn't even try Turboquant, MTP or Dflash yet! I'll focus on these next 👀 (Server flags and setup in the quoted tweet)

I know some bros want to see what happens when we push the value even further, so here we go: ⚪️ -ncmoe 25 → 41.8 tok/s RAM: 12GB & VRAM: 6.9GB 🔴 -ncmoe 23 → 43.8 tok/s RAM: 12.2GB & VRAM: 7.4GB 🟢 -ncmoe 21 → 38.6 tok/s RAM: 12.4GB & VRAM: 7.8GB 🔵 -ncmoe 19 → 19.8 tok/s RAM: 13.8GB & VRAM: 7.8GB As you can see, there's a sweet spot with the VRAM usage. Play around and monitor to find the right value for your setup, you can use llama.cpp web ui to monitor speeds easily Sweet spot seems to be 25-23 for 8GB VRAM ✅ +40tok/s for Qwen3.6 35B with 64k q8_0 context on a 8GB card is very impressive just by using base llama.cpp, and we didn't even try Turboquant, MTP or Dflash yet! I'll focus on these next 👀 (Server flags and setup in the quoted tweet)

left curve dev

18,049 次观看 • 3 个月前

DFlash makes Qwen 2.2x faster with no quality loss! We ran the same Qwen3.6-27B locally three ways on one RTX 6000: baseline, MTP, DFlash. The tasks only differ in one thing - how predictable the next word is: quicksort, describe a file in JSON, a logic puzzle, a sci-fi story. Outputs: Baseline: 44 tok/s · 1.00x MTP: 65 tok/s · 1.45x · 71% accepted DFlash: 98 tok/s · 2.20x · 30% accepted Baseline writes one token per step. MTP works inside the model itself and guesses 3 tokens ahead. DFlash is a separate small model that writes 15 tokens at once, and the big model only checks them. In JSON the same words repeat all the time, so most guesses were right: 152 tok/s, 3.4x speedup. In the story 9 guesses out of 10 were wrong. DFlash did all that extra work for nothing and became slower than baseline: 42 vs 44 tok/s. MTP guesses only 3 tokens, so a wrong guess costs very little: 46 tok/s and the win in that round. The output is identical in all three modes - DFlash is the pick for tasks with predictable output, like coding, and for chat and creative writing MTP works better. DFlash is now natively integrated into Atomic Chat on llama.cpp - speed up your Qwen models!

DFlash makes Qwen 2.2x faster with no quality loss! We ran the same Qwen3.6-27B locally three ways on one RTX 6000: baseline, MTP, DFlash. The tasks only differ in one thing - how predictable the next word is: quicksort, describe a file in JSON, a logic puzzle, a sci-fi story. Outputs: Baseline: 44 tok/s · 1.00x MTP: 65 tok/s · 1.45x · 71% accepted DFlash: 98 tok/s · 2.20x · 30% accepted Baseline writes one token per step. MTP works inside the model itself and guesses 3 tokens ahead. DFlash is a separate small model that writes 15 tokens at once, and the big model only checks them. In JSON the same words repeat all the time, so most guesses were right: 152 tok/s, 3.4x speedup. In the story 9 guesses out of 10 were wrong. DFlash did all that extra work for nothing and became slower than baseline: 42 vs 44 tok/s. MTP guesses only 3 tokens, so a wrong guess costs very little: 46 tok/s and the win in that round. The output is identical in all three modes - DFlash is the pick for tasks with predictable output, like coding, and for chat and creative writing MTP works better. DFlash is now natively integrated into Atomic Chat on llama.cpp - speed up your Qwen models!

atomic.chat

82,776 次观看 • 1 个月前

got gemma 4 31B with MTP running on my DGX Spark. Hermes Agent did most of the legwork. baseline vs MTP on GB10: • c=1: 3.65 → 6.37 tok/s (1.74x) • c=4: 14.34 → 23.59 tok/s (1.65x) • c=8: 14.37 → 24.18 tok/s (1.68x) google says "up to 2x" — we're not quite there but it's real, not vapor. stack: DGX Spark / GB10 + gemma-4-31b-it + gemma-4-31b-it-assistant (MTP drafter) + vLLM built from PR 41745 MTP is basically a lightweight draft model that predicts multiple tokens while the big model verifies them all at once. smaller model does the busywork, bigger model just says yes/no. simple idea, weird to implement. next: tune the draft block size and see if we can push past 2x. also want to try it with Hermes Agent feeding prompts end to end. p.s: this was all done from telegram. Google DeepMind NVIDIA AI Developer

got gemma 4 31B with MTP running on my DGX Spark. Hermes Agent did most of the legwork. baseline vs MTP on GB10: • c=1: 3.65 → 6.37 tok/s (1.74x) • c=4: 14.34 → 23.59 tok/s (1.65x) • c=8: 14.37 → 24.18 tok/s (1.68x) google says "up to 2x" — we're not quite there but it's real, not vapor. stack: DGX Spark / GB10 + gemma-4-31b-it + gemma-4-31b-it-assistant (MTP drafter) + vLLM built from PR 41745 MTP is basically a lightweight draft model that predicts multiple tokens while the big model verifies them all at once. smaller model does the busywork, bigger model just says yes/no. simple idea, weird to implement. next: tune the draft block size and see if we can push past 2x. also want to try it with Hermes Agent feeding prompts end to end. p.s: this was all done from telegram. Google DeepMind NVIDIA AI Developer

Joey

23,088 次观看 • 4 个月前

DFlash2 makes Qwen3.8 27B up to 4x faster⚡️ We rented one RTX 6000 and ran the same Qwen3.8-27B four ways: baseline, MTP, DFlash, DFlash2. We picked 4 different tasks for the test: a music library as JSON, a Python rate limiter, a seating puzzle, a heist story. Outputs: Baseline: 47.4 tok/s MTP: 114.7 tok/s · 52% accepted DFlash: 99.3 tok/s · 34% accepted DFlash2: 140.6 tok/s · 56% accepted The diff between DFlash and DFlash2 is essentially this: DFlash only looks at the current token, makes one guess and sends it, which often results in poor acceptance rates. DFlash2 on the other hand looks at the previous and current tokens, creates 16 candidates and ranks each guess on two criteria: 1. how well it fits as the next token 2. does it connect with the previous token. After ranking, it picks the best candidate and submits it as the guess. This is how DFlash2 achieves much higher acceptance rates and as a result is often much faster than DFlash

DFlash2 makes Qwen3.8 27B up to 4x faster⚡️ We rented one RTX 6000 and ran the same Qwen3.8-27B four ways: baseline, MTP, DFlash, DFlash2. We picked 4 different tasks for the test: a music library as JSON, a Python rate limiter, a seating puzzle, a heist story. Outputs: Baseline: 47.4 tok/s MTP: 114.7 tok/s · 52% accepted DFlash: 99.3 tok/s · 34% accepted DFlash2: 140.6 tok/s · 56% accepted The diff between DFlash and DFlash2 is essentially this: DFlash only looks at the current token, makes one guess and sends it, which often results in poor acceptance rates. DFlash2 on the other hand looks at the previous and current tokens, creates 16 candidates and ranks each guess on two criteria: 1. how well it fits as the next token 2. does it connect with the previous token. After ranking, it picks the best candidate and submits it as the guess. This is how DFlash2 achieves much higher acceptance rates and as a result is often much faster than DFlash

atomic.chat

27,777 次观看 • 13 天前

Google's Gemma 4 26B A4B QAT hits 25+ tokens/sec and 320+ tokens/sec prefill on 8 GB VRAM (RTX 4060) + 16 GB RAM using TurboQuant Prefill just went from 200 → 320+ tok/s on the same 8GB card. 1.6x, no new hardware, no new quant, just a KV cache trick stacked on top of the Gemma 4 26B MoE setup from a few days ago. A few days ago I posted Gemma 4 26B A4B hitting 28 tok/s decode on 8GB VRAM using native MTP. prefill was stuck around 200 tok/s. fair callout by the community. So today I tested something I'd already been meaning to try: TheTom/llama-cpp-turboquant, the TurboQuant KV cache fork by Tom Turney (Tom Turney). (github link in the comments) thanks to him, the fork just got resynced to mainline, so MTP + TurboQuant now run together cleanly (I didnt see any meaningful gains by using MTP with this setup though but you can try). The flags (No MTP): -m gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-qat-UD-Q4_K_XL.gguf -cnv -c 64000 --cache-type-k q8_0 --cache-type-v turbo3 Results on the same RTX 4060 8GB, tested with a 27k token prompt at 64k context loaded: Prefill: 200 tok/s → 320+ tok/s Decode: stayed above 25 tok/s (without MTP) Why it works: TurboQuant uses walsh hadamard rotation + polar quantization on the KV cache. keys are sensitive to compression, values aren't much, so it splits the difference: K stays at q8_0, V drops to turbo3 (~3 bits). bonus from the memory savings: same 8GB card can now stretch to 100-120k context with minimal decode penalty. It should now be snappier with any agent harness such as hermes agent without compromise on intelligence. If you're already running Gemma 4 on a small card, this stacks on top for free. Try --cache-type-k q8_0 --cache-type-v turbo3 on your setup and report back what your prefill/decode split looks like. unsloth model gguf and llama.cpp turboquant fork links in the comments. what's your prefill number before vs after?

Google's Gemma 4 26B A4B QAT hits 25+ tokens/sec and 320+ tokens/sec prefill on 8 GB VRAM (RTX 4060) + 16 GB RAM using TurboQuant Prefill just went from 200 → 320+ tok/s on the same 8GB card. 1.6x, no new hardware, no new quant, just a KV cache trick stacked on top of the Gemma 4 26B MoE setup from a few days ago. A few days ago I posted Gemma 4 26B A4B hitting 28 tok/s decode on 8GB VRAM using native MTP. prefill was stuck around 200 tok/s. fair callout by the community. So today I tested something I'd already been meaning to try: TheTom/llama-cpp-turboquant, the TurboQuant KV cache fork by Tom Turney (Tom Turney). (github link in the comments) thanks to him, the fork just got resynced to mainline, so MTP + TurboQuant now run together cleanly (I didnt see any meaningful gains by using MTP with this setup though but you can try). The flags (No MTP): -m gemma-4-26B-A4B-it-qat-UD-Q4_K_XL.gguf -cnv -c 64000 --cache-type-k q8_0 --cache-type-v turbo3 Results on the same RTX 4060 8GB, tested with a 27k token prompt at 64k context loaded: Prefill: 200 tok/s → 320+ tok/s Decode: stayed above 25 tok/s (without MTP) Why it works: TurboQuant uses walsh hadamard rotation + polar quantization on the KV cache. keys are sensitive to compression, values aren't much, so it splits the difference: K stays at q8_0, V drops to turbo3 (~3 bits). bonus from the memory savings: same 8GB card can now stretch to 100-120k context with minimal decode penalty. It should now be snappier with any agent harness such as hermes agent without compromise on intelligence. If you're already running Gemma 4 on a small card, this stacks on top for free. Try --cache-type-k q8_0 --cache-type-v turbo3 on your setup and report back what your prefill/decode split looks like. unsloth model gguf and llama.cpp turboquant fork links in the comments. what's your prefill number before vs after?

Alok

119,821 次观看 • 2 个月前

🤯 A localmaxxer hit ~381 tok/s on a SINGLE RTX 3090 with Qwen3.8-27B. This developer has turned a 24GB RTX 3090 into a monster Qwen inference box - w/some creativity. Four days ago 👉 ⚡ ~82 tok/s single-user Then 👉 ⚡ ~114 tok/s with optimized MTP ⚡ ~138 tok/s with DFlash2 + lookup drafting Now 👉 🔥 ~381 tok/s on ONE request How? The recipe combines ... 🧠 Qwen3.8-27B 🎮 1× RTX 3090 24GB @ 250W ⚙️ heavily optimized vLLM ⚡ DFlash2 speculative decoding 🔎 lookup-augmented drafting 📚 prefix caching 🧮 16-token verification blocks 💾 quantized KV / heads / activations DFlash2 normally proposes 7 tokens. The developer realized the verification block doesn't have to stop there. If Qwen is answering from a document already sitting in the prompt, the system can fill the remaining draft positions using tokens found directly in that context. 🎯 So the target model can verify 16 tokens at once. On a ~25K-token document reproduction task: Previous DFlash2 👉 ~260 tok/s Longer verification + context lookup 👉 🔥 ~382 tok/s Acceptance: 🤯 15 of 16 tokens per verification step That is where the crazy number comes from. ⚠️ On ordinary real-world chat prompts, the same setup is around ~133 tok/s Still extremely fast for a dense 27B model on an RTX 3090. The 381 tok/s mode shines when the answer largely comes from material already in context so these are best use cases 📚 RAG / document Q&A 💻 Coding assistants applying edits 📝 Quoting or rewriting documents 🔎 Extracting information from long prompts And another optimization 👉 With prefix caching, a second question against the same 25K-token document reportedly goes from: 🐌 22.4 sec TTFT → ⚡ 0.56 sec TTFT Because the model doesn't need to process the whole document again. 🎯 It's specifically a mode for RAG front ends and coding agents. Follow iamMess on Reddit or syv-ai on GitHub 🔗 Reddit: r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1vtup5s/ 🔗 GitHub: /syv-ai/qwen38-27b-rtx3090

🤯 A localmaxxer hit ~381 tok/s on a SINGLE RTX 3090 with Qwen3.8-27B. This developer has turned a 24GB RTX 3090 into a monster Qwen inference box - w/some creativity. Four days ago 👉 ⚡ ~82 tok/s single-user Then 👉 ⚡ ~114 tok/s with optimized MTP ⚡ ~138 tok/s with DFlash2 + lookup drafting Now 👉 🔥 ~381 tok/s on ONE request How? The recipe combines ... 🧠 Qwen3.8-27B 🎮 1× RTX 3090 24GB @ 250W ⚙️ heavily optimized vLLM ⚡ DFlash2 speculative decoding 🔎 lookup-augmented drafting 📚 prefix caching 🧮 16-token verification blocks 💾 quantized KV / heads / activations DFlash2 normally proposes 7 tokens. The developer realized the verification block doesn't have to stop there. If Qwen is answering from a document already sitting in the prompt, the system can fill the remaining draft positions using tokens found directly in that context. 🎯 So the target model can verify 16 tokens at once. On a ~25K-token document reproduction task: Previous DFlash2 👉 ~260 tok/s Longer verification + context lookup 👉 🔥 ~382 tok/s Acceptance: 🤯 15 of 16 tokens per verification step That is where the crazy number comes from. ⚠️ On ordinary real-world chat prompts, the same setup is around ~133 tok/s Still extremely fast for a dense 27B model on an RTX 3090. The 381 tok/s mode shines when the answer largely comes from material already in context so these are best use cases 📚 RAG / document Q&A 💻 Coding assistants applying edits 📝 Quoting or rewriting documents 🔎 Extracting information from long prompts And another optimization 👉 With prefix caching, a second question against the same 25K-token document reportedly goes from: 🐌 22.4 sec TTFT → ⚡ 0.56 sec TTFT Because the model doesn't need to process the whole document again. 🎯 It's specifically a mode for RAG front ends and coding agents. Follow iamMess on Reddit or syv-ai on GitHub 🔗 Reddit: r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1vtup5s/ 🔗 GitHub: /syv-ai/qwen38-27b-rtx3090

David Hendrickson

111,228 次观看 • 13 天前

i spent 3 hours finding the sweet spot for hermes 4.3 36B on a single RTX 3090. saving you the trouble, anon. the model is 21.8GB at Q4_K_M. that leaves 2.2GB free on 24GB VRAM. not much room for KV cache. here's what actually happened: 4K: 35.3 tok/s 8K: 35.2 tok/s 16K: 34.8 tok/s 32K: 34.6 tok/s 64K: 6.4 tok/s 128K: 1.9 tok/s flat from 4K to 32K. then it falls off a cliff at 64K. the trick is quantized KV cache. without it you OOM at 16K. with quantized KV cache you get 32K at full speed. all 64 layers on GPU. at 64K something weird happens. ngl 99 (all layers on GPU) = 3.96 tok/s. the KV cache silently spills to CPU. drop to ngl 55 and speed jumps to 6.37. drop to ngl 48 and it gets worse again (3.46). there's an offload sweet spot where you free just enough VRAM for the cache without losing too much compute to PCIe transfers. 128K works at ngl 32 but you're at 1.95 tok/s. half the model on CPU. usable for batch work, not for interactive. the sweet spot command: llama-server -m hermes-4.3-36b-Q4_K_M.gguf -ngl 99 -c 32768 --cache-type-k q4_0 --cache-type-v q4_0 32K context. 34.6 tok/s. all on GPU. this is where dense 36B lives on 24GB. for comparison, qwen 3.5 (35B MoE, 3B active) holds 112 tok/s from 4K all the way to 262K on the same GPU. no speed drop. same total params, completely different architecture. hybrid linear attention means flat context scaling. dense pays for every token in the KV cache. code and quality comparison coming next. fast vs slow generation side by side in the videos below.

i spent 3 hours finding the sweet spot for hermes 4.3 36B on a single RTX 3090. saving you the trouble, anon. the model is 21.8GB at Q4_K_M. that leaves 2.2GB free on 24GB VRAM. not much room for KV cache. here's what actually happened: 4K: 35.3 tok/s 8K: 35.2 tok/s 16K: 34.8 tok/s 32K: 34.6 tok/s 64K: 6.4 tok/s 128K: 1.9 tok/s flat from 4K to 32K. then it falls off a cliff at 64K. the trick is quantized KV cache. without it you OOM at 16K. with quantized KV cache you get 32K at full speed. all 64 layers on GPU. at 64K something weird happens. ngl 99 (all layers on GPU) = 3.96 tok/s. the KV cache silently spills to CPU. drop to ngl 55 and speed jumps to 6.37. drop to ngl 48 and it gets worse again (3.46). there's an offload sweet spot where you free just enough VRAM for the cache without losing too much compute to PCIe transfers. 128K works at ngl 32 but you're at 1.95 tok/s. half the model on CPU. usable for batch work, not for interactive. the sweet spot command: llama-server -m hermes-4.3-36b-Q4_K_M.gguf -ngl 99 -c 32768 --cache-type-k q4_0 --cache-type-v q4_0 32K context. 34.6 tok/s. all on GPU. this is where dense 36B lives on 24GB. for comparison, qwen 3.5 (35B MoE, 3B active) holds 112 tok/s from 4K all the way to 262K on the same GPU. no speed drop. same total params, completely different architecture. hybrid linear attention means flat context scaling. dense pays for every token in the KV cache. code and quality comparison coming next. fast vs slow generation side by side in the videos below.

Sudo su

52,268 次观看 • 6 个月前

Qwen3.6 27B landed yesterday, so I ran it on 4 setups side-by-side to see how they stack up: 🔴 RTX 4090 — 45.59 tok/s, TTFT 525ms 🟢 RTX 5090 — 51.83 tok/s, TTFT 752ms ⚫️ M2 Ultra — 22.30 tok/s, TTFT 216ms 🟣 DGX Spark — 11.08 tok/s, TTFT 319ms This is a standard test: no tuning, just the out-of-the-box experience. For the NVIDIA cards I used llama.cpp with Unsloth's UD-Q4_K_XL quant. For the M2 Ultra I used MLX with Unsloth's UD-MLX-4bit quant, since MLX is the native path on Apple Silicon. Please consider this as the baseline, you can definitely squeeze more out of every one of these with fine-tuned settings.

Qwen3.6 27B landed yesterday, so I ran it on 4 setups side-by-side to see how they stack up: 🔴 RTX 4090 — 45.59 tok/s, TTFT 525ms 🟢 RTX 5090 — 51.83 tok/s, TTFT 752ms ⚫️ M2 Ultra — 22.30 tok/s, TTFT 216ms 🟣 DGX Spark — 11.08 tok/s, TTFT 319ms This is a standard test: no tuning, just the out-of-the-box experience. For the NVIDIA cards I used llama.cpp with Unsloth's UD-Q4_K_XL quant. For the M2 Ultra I used MLX with Unsloth's UD-MLX-4bit quant, since MLX is the native path on Apple Silicon. Please consider this as the baseline, you can definitely squeeze more out of every one of these with fine-tuned settings.

stevibe

104,692 次观看 • 4 个月前

DFlash 2 is here! Qwen3.8-27B at 70 tok/s on an M5 Max MacBook Pro. ⚡ Up to 4.6× the speed of autoregressive decoding, with the same output. This is the next generation of DFlash, seeded at Z Lab and upgraded at Inco AI. Get one more accepted token on every pass, for free!

DFlash 2 is here! Qwen3.8-27B at 70 tok/s on an M5 Max MacBook Pro. ⚡ Up to 4.6× the speed of autoregressive decoding, with the same output. This is the next generation of DFlash, seeded at Z Lab and upgraded at Inco AI. Get one more accepted token on every pass, for free!

Zhijian Liu

1,121,387 次观看 • 15 天前

dflash-mlx v0.1.7 is out. Big adaptive-runtime update, still focused mostly on Qwen3.6 27B 4-bit. @ 2048 tokens, M5 Max, stock mlx_lm baseline: ► 1024: 33.26 → 98.05 tok/s (x2.95) ► 2048: 32.34 → 90.67 tok/s (x2.81) ► 4096: 30.58 → 93.55 tok/s (x3.06) ► 8192: 26.03 → 79.12 tok/s (x3.04) ► 16384: 21.50 → 60.77 tok/s (x2.78) Main change: adaptive verify got a lot smarter. Instead of blindly trying to verify large 16-token blocks all the time, DFlash now watches acceptance + tokens/cycle + real cycle cost. When the draft gets weaker, it drops to smaller 4-token blocks, then probes back up only when the recent cycles make sense. In practice: less wasted verify work, better long-context behavior, and much more useful metrics to understand what is happening. ► retuned adaptive verify for long-context / agentic decode ► richer metrics: tokens/cycle, adaptive block state, CopySpec counters ► /metrics now has real decode avg + logical/real/restored prefill rates ► AIME25 benchmark suite with exact integer scoring ► Qwen thinking default now follows tokenizer/request behavior ► GDN recurrent exactness fixes I also started running AIME25-style long generations. Even around 45k generated tokens, I was still seeing ~40 tok/s on 27B 4-bit. Over the next few days I’ll share more demos: AIME runs, real OpenCode game/project sessions, and full metrics along the way. Still optimizing hard for 27B 4-bit first, while working on custom kernels per Apple GPU generation so more machines can benefit.

dflash-mlx v0.1.7 is out. Big adaptive-runtime update, still focused mostly on Qwen3.6 27B 4-bit. @ 2048 tokens, M5 Max, stock mlx_lm baseline: ► 1024: 33.26 → 98.05 tok/s (x2.95) ► 2048: 32.34 → 90.67 tok/s (x2.81) ► 4096: 30.58 → 93.55 tok/s (x3.06) ► 8192: 26.03 → 79.12 tok/s (x3.04) ► 16384: 21.50 → 60.77 tok/s (x2.78) Main change: adaptive verify got a lot smarter. Instead of blindly trying to verify large 16-token blocks all the time, DFlash now watches acceptance + tokens/cycle + real cycle cost. When the draft gets weaker, it drops to smaller 4-token blocks, then probes back up only when the recent cycles make sense. In practice: less wasted verify work, better long-context behavior, and much more useful metrics to understand what is happening. ► retuned adaptive verify for long-context / agentic decode ► richer metrics: tokens/cycle, adaptive block state, CopySpec counters ► /metrics now has real decode avg + logical/real/restored prefill rates ► AIME25 benchmark suite with exact integer scoring ► Qwen thinking default now follows tokenizer/request behavior ► GDN recurrent exactness fixes I also started running AIME25-style long generations. Even around 45k generated tokens, I was still seeing ~40 tok/s on 27B 4-bit. Over the next few days I’ll share more demos: AIME runs, real OpenCode game/project sessions, and full metrics along the way. Still optimizing hard for 27B 4-bit first, while working on custom kernels per Apple GPU generation so more machines can benefit.

bstn 👁️

16,334 次观看 • 3 个月前

SGLang now supports DSpark, enabling confidence-driven, variable-length verification for speculative decoding 🎉 DSpark addresses a key bottleneck under load: instead of verifying every draft token, it verifies only where the draft model is confident, so the gains hold even as batch size scales. We heavily optimized variable-length verification in SGLang. Across batch sizes 1 to 256, DSpark gives the best throughput/latency tradeoff on DeepSeek-V4-Flash, ahead of both MTP and non-spec. At high concurrency, dynamic scheduling provides up to ~20% higher throughput compared to a fixed budget, while maintaining high verification quality across workloads. With fused kernels and zero-overhead scheduling, DeepSeek-V4-Pro reaches 383.7 tok/s at B=1 on B300. DSpark is now available in SGLang with support for Qwen3 and DeepSeek-V4. Thanks DeepSeek for open-sourcing! Blog with full technical details and commands to run below 👇

SGLang now supports DSpark, enabling confidence-driven, variable-length verification for speculative decoding 🎉 DSpark addresses a key bottleneck under load: instead of verifying every draft token, it verifies only where the draft model is confident, so the gains hold even as batch size scales. We heavily optimized variable-length verification in SGLang. Across batch sizes 1 to 256, DSpark gives the best throughput/latency tradeoff on DeepSeek-V4-Flash, ahead of both MTP and non-spec. At high concurrency, dynamic scheduling provides up to ~20% higher throughput compared to a fixed budget, while maintaining high verification quality across workloads. With fused kernels and zero-overhead scheduling, DeepSeek-V4-Pro reaches 383.7 tok/s at B=1 on B300. DSpark is now available in SGLang with support for Qwen3 and DeepSeek-V4. Thanks DeepSeek for open-sourcing! Blog with full technical details and commands to run below 👇

LMSYS Org

170,203 次观看 • 1 个月前

Anyone with 8GB or 12GB VRAM setups needs to understand that "-ncmoe" is the key flag to boost performance on llama.cpp Here are my results for Qwen3.6 35B A3B, with 64k q8_0 context on a 8GB RTX 3070Ti: ⚪️ no flag → 8.7 tok/s RAM: 13.6GB & VRAM: 7.8GB 🔴 -ncmoe 35 → 27.5 tok/s RAM: 12.1GB & VRAM: 4.3GB 🟢 -ncmoe 30 → 32.5 tok/s RAM: 12GB & VRAM: 5.6GB 🔵 -ncmoe 25 → 40.9 tok/s RAM: 12GB & VRAM: 6.9GB Please note the ram and vram usage you see are total usage of a windows pc, with the model running. My friend's setup: 8GB VRAM and 16GB RAM. You can boost performance by switching to Linux, just something to keep in mind. Basically, this flag keeps the MoE experts in the first X layers on your CPU + RAM, instead of eating all your VRAM straight away. This is a smart hybrid offload way that lets you run bigger models without OOM while keeping the rest on your GPU for speed. As we can see on the data, there's a sweet spot. When we lower it from 35 to 25, speed bumps +50% because there are more layers on your GPU (look at the VRAM usage). The key here is to play around with the number and fit as much as possible on your VRAM, goal is to have 1GB/800MB headroom to avoid stress. ↓ server flags below

Anyone with 8GB or 12GB VRAM setups needs to understand that "-ncmoe" is the key flag to boost performance on llama.cpp Here are my results for Qwen3.6 35B A3B, with 64k q8_0 context on a 8GB RTX 3070Ti: ⚪️ no flag → 8.7 tok/s RAM: 13.6GB & VRAM: 7.8GB 🔴 -ncmoe 35 → 27.5 tok/s RAM: 12.1GB & VRAM: 4.3GB 🟢 -ncmoe 30 → 32.5 tok/s RAM: 12GB & VRAM: 5.6GB 🔵 -ncmoe 25 → 40.9 tok/s RAM: 12GB & VRAM: 6.9GB Please note the ram and vram usage you see are total usage of a windows pc, with the model running. My friend's setup: 8GB VRAM and 16GB RAM. You can boost performance by switching to Linux, just something to keep in mind. Basically, this flag keeps the MoE experts in the first X layers on your CPU + RAM, instead of eating all your VRAM straight away. This is a smart hybrid offload way that lets you run bigger models without OOM while keeping the rest on your GPU for speed. As we can see on the data, there's a sweet spot. When we lower it from 35 to 25, speed bumps +50% because there are more layers on your GPU (look at the VRAM usage). The key here is to play around with the number and fit as much as possible on your VRAM, goal is to have 1GB/800MB headroom to avoid stress. ↓ server flags below

left curve dev

166,478 次观看 • 3 个月前

THIS AMERICAN DEVELOPER SPENT WEEKS DEBUGGING TIMEOUT ERRORS IN OLLAMA. THEN HE LOOKED UNDER THE HOOD LM Studio is just llama.cpp Ollama is just llama.cpp so he cloned llama.cpp from source, pulled Qwen 3.6 35B off Hugging Face, set up asymmetric KV quantization and got a local server running on 127.0.0.1:8080 plugged it into VS Code, connected it to OpenClaw, 53 tok/s on an M1 Max with 262K context zero wrappers, zero timeout errors, zero API fees bookmark & like this before your next timeout error hits full breakdown of my raw llama.cpp setup ↓

THIS AMERICAN DEVELOPER SPENT WEEKS DEBUGGING TIMEOUT ERRORS IN OLLAMA. THEN HE LOOKED UNDER THE HOOD LM Studio is just llama.cpp Ollama is just llama.cpp so he cloned llama.cpp from source, pulled Qwen 3.6 35B off Hugging Face, set up asymmetric KV quantization and got a local server running on 127.0.0.1:8080 plugged it into VS Code, connected it to OpenClaw, 53 tok/s on an M1 Max with 262K context zero wrappers, zero timeout errors, zero API fees bookmark & like this before your next timeout error hits full breakdown of my raw llama.cpp setup ↓

leopardracer

238,950 次观看 • 3 个月前

i measured qwen 3.8 27b dense, raw on a single RTX 3090 24gb GPU, before the hype finished loading. here is the honest read: 25.4 tok/s on the exact card and test where 3.6 ran 40tok/s. slower on day one, and i'm posting it anyway, because the rest of the data says watch this space. decode holds dead flat as context fills, 25 empty, 26 at 90k deep, no 27b has ever done that on my bench. one turn in the video generated 33,614 tokens and averaged 22.9 the whole way. the full 262k window sits resident in 22.2GB. the vision tower boots and the card genuinely sees. and the server logs show llama.cpp ignoring the model's MTP tensors completely, multi-token prediction trained into the weights and not wired up yet. this is the floor, measured before the optimizers woke up. tomorrow there are builders wiring MTP, tuning the hybrid attention, shipping kernels, and every commit is free speed for the same card. i benched day one so we can all watch it climb. build video, receipts, full chart in the gallery. repro below.

i measured qwen 3.8 27b dense, raw on a single RTX 3090 24gb GPU, before the hype finished loading. here is the honest read: 25.4 tok/s on the exact card and test where 3.6 ran 40tok/s. slower on day one, and i'm posting it anyway, because the rest of the data says watch this space. decode holds dead flat as context fills, 25 empty, 26 at 90k deep, no 27b has ever done that on my bench. one turn in the video generated 33,614 tokens and averaged 22.9 the whole way. the full 262k window sits resident in 22.2GB. the vision tower boots and the card genuinely sees. and the server logs show llama.cpp ignoring the model's MTP tensors completely, multi-token prediction trained into the weights and not wired up yet. this is the floor, measured before the optimizers woke up. tomorrow there are builders wiring MTP, tuning the hybrid attention, shipping kernels, and every commit is free speed for the same card. i benched day one so we can all watch it climb. build video, receipts, full chart in the gallery. repro below.

Sudo su

46,346 次观看 • 19 天前

nemotron 3 omni q8 on dgx spark 128gb vram cranking via hermes agent at 56 tok/s. first night of real local agentic on this box and local hits harder than i thought it would. q8 (near lossless quant, perplexity loss <1% vs fp16) running 256k context on 33 gb of unified memory, 90+ gb still free. multimodal omni weights included. hermes agent driving from telegram, talking to it from bed. speed: 56 tok/s generation, 1,300 tok/s prefill. for context, qwen 3.6 27b at q4 (heavy quant) on 3090 = 40 tok/s. nemotron at higher precision quant on spark beats qwen at lower precision quant on 3090. moe 3.5b active params architecture earns its keep. what i tested tonight: agentic tool calling works clean. ask it to check disks, it autonomously runs df -h through hermes agent. ask it to set up telegram gateway, it invokes the hermes-agent skill, walks through the prompts, completes the flow. overthinks a bit before tool calls (reasoning model trait) but lands the right move every time. researches api docs, internalizes, tests, documents. completes tasks. current models on dgx spark: 9 gguf files, 305 gb total, mix of qwen 3.6 27b dense (5 quants), nemotron omni (4 quants), deepseek v4-flash 158b q4 (the 112gb flagship test). more data coming this week as i benchmark each.

nemotron 3 omni q8 on dgx spark 128gb vram cranking via hermes agent at 56 tok/s. first night of real local agentic on this box and local hits harder than i thought it would. q8 (near lossless quant, perplexity loss <1% vs fp16) running 256k context on 33 gb of unified memory, 90+ gb still free. multimodal omni weights included. hermes agent driving from telegram, talking to it from bed. speed: 56 tok/s generation, 1,300 tok/s prefill. for context, qwen 3.6 27b at q4 (heavy quant) on 3090 = 40 tok/s. nemotron at higher precision quant on spark beats qwen at lower precision quant on 3090. moe 3.5b active params architecture earns its keep. what i tested tonight: agentic tool calling works clean. ask it to check disks, it autonomously runs df -h through hermes agent. ask it to set up telegram gateway, it invokes the hermes-agent skill, walks through the prompts, completes the flow. overthinks a bit before tool calls (reasoning model trait) but lands the right move every time. researches api docs, internalizes, tests, documents. completes tasks. current models on dgx spark: 9 gguf files, 305 gb total, mix of qwen 3.6 27b dense (5 quants), nemotron omni (4 quants), deepseek v4-flash 158b q4 (the 112gb flagship test). more data coming this week as i benchmark each.

Sudo su

30,228 次观看 • 4 个月前

AI at Meta's Muse Glimmer (30B dense, open-weights) launches with SGLang day-0 support. We got ~230 tok/s on a single RTX 5090, with NVFP4 + DFlash on. It also works out of the box on NVIDIA AI Developer RTX Pro 6000, DGX Spark, and MLX for Mac. Speed and reliability have always been the blockers for a local agent. SGLang and Muse Glimmer make a local agent that's blazing fast, always on, and gets things done. Go build and run a local agent on your own machine!🚀

AI at Meta's Muse Glimmer (30B dense, open-weights) launches with SGLang day-0 support. We got ~230 tok/s on a single RTX 5090, with NVFP4 + DFlash on. It also works out of the box on NVIDIA AI Developer RTX Pro 6000, DGX Spark, and MLX for Mac. Speed and reliability have always been the blockers for a local agent. SGLang and Muse Glimmer make a local agent that's blazing fast, always on, and gets things done. Go build and run a local agent on your own machine!🚀

LMSYS Org

43,106 次观看 • 23 天前