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Mark Cuban thinks many data centers will turn into pickleball courts He was on the The All-In Podcast making the case that AI infrastructure is being overbuilt His comparison is the 90s when everyone raced to lay fiber-optic cable Then technology got more efficient, and what followed was the...

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Free Speech1 个月前

@theallinpod He also thought Kamala would be a good president so… I wouldn’t bank on it

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@carlquintanilla @theallinpod

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Benjamin1 个月前

@theallinpod Mark has lost the plot on this one. Robots are going to require a lot of compute.

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steve1 个月前

@theallinpod He’s become a very confident idiot. Remember he thought Kamala would be great president

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Kathleen Tyson1 个月前

@theallinpod A friend made the exact same comparison to me 2 months back. I said railroads and canals. He said fibre optic cables.

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Trey Salatto1 个月前

@theallinpod Could possibly be the only thing in the galaxy @mcuban and I agree on...

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johann1 个月前

@theallinpod Mark Cuban has been irrelevant since forever Most known as ex mavericks owner

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Gronnz/Razzrr1 个月前

@theallinpod Maybe one day but we are nowhere near that point now atleast I think Mark is just severely out of touch with the current state of things in this current AI race. This is the modern day era of the cold war and the winner will determine alot of the future of the world unfortunately

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CryptoBankerX1 个月前

@theallinpod Except all that fiber optic cable is being used now. Are you really trying to compare 90s computing and internet infrastructure to today? Cmon stop looking at surface level bullshit

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Mike Warner | Managed Websites | SEO | AEO | Intel1 个月前

The fiber comparison ends somewhere other than where he's taking it. That cable didn't become useless, it got bought out of bankruptcy for cents and carried the entire broadband era. The asset survived. The capital structure didn't. Which means the right question isn't whether it's overbuilt, it's who's holding the paper when the writedown clears and who buys the hardware at the auction.

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Rectangular Sphere1 个月前

@theallinpod Isn’t this the guy that said the NFL would collapse in ten years, back in 2014?

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FranciscoSpace5🚀🔬🦛1 个月前

@theallinpod Mark cuban is so irrelevant. Who cares what he has to say..

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Roderick D’Amore1 个月前

@theallinpod Just like the internet infrastructure You know how this goes Mark

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Sean Heim1 个月前

@theallinpod He may be right about the infrastructure, but with 401ks gobbling up the overvalued tech sector, you best believe retail will be the exit liquidity for this bubble just like they always are

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Captain Aaron1 个月前

@theallinpod Get in now. The rotation into pickleball equipment suppliers will be huge. Pickleball paddle shortages causing mass price increases and exploding margins and FOMO. Picklebubble. $AS, $SKX, $LTH make us rich.

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Ocean Glass1 个月前

@theallinpod so far he has been correct. Best quote. "If you go all-in and don't win, you just spent a trillion dollars to be an app." Well said. LOL> A fucking app on ur phone.

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Balewa1 个月前

Bandwidth is finite; fibre-optic cables transport data. There is a natural biological saturation point for human bandwidth consumption. Once a user has enough speed to stream a 4K video without buffering, adding 100x more speed doesn't change their behaviour. The telecom companies overbuilt because they planned for demand that human eyeballs physically couldn't consume.

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rioferdy8381 个月前

@theallinpod This motherfuckers claim to fame was selling at the height of the internet bubble.

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KingLion65081 个月前

@theallinpod As much as Mark Cuban is annoying, must hand him this one. He’s right. Hence the intensely clenched buttocks of the private equity and private credit crowd these days, respective to their returns of course.

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Spiderman1 个月前

@theallinpod @Geo_papic brother, weren’t you saying this like a year and a half ago?

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Merwan1 个月前

@theallinpod I mean, he’s not wrong, nobody can predict well, so can’t he. Not saying what he says is wrong, it may happen as he says, but if it doesn’t, companies who chose to not spend money will be left behind. It’ll cost more to not spend than to spend.

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Dawid Opalka1 个月前

@theallinpod In a macro environment defined by structural energy deficits and grid bottlenecks, the primary asset secured by a 10 or 20-year Power Purchase Agreement is not the building or the chip rack, it is the grid interconnection queue position and guaranteed physical electron delivery.

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Lox1 个月前

@theallinpod His premise 'might' be wrong this time. 100% depends on the return of value from AI. The setup isn't like dotcom with some silly website as a front end for your business.

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‼️LIVE FEED‼️#SilverisMoney on #Telegram1 个月前

@theallinpod Yesss

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Max.Truth1 个月前

@theallinpod massive if this thought becomes reality. We need a financial crisis that hurts those ruining and corrupting the economy, not the average retail investor.

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ThePropTrader1 个月前

@richriker @theallinpod I have been saying this for over 18 months

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gahahaa1 个月前

@theallinpod He has to shut up

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Savvich1 个月前

@theallinpod he is the last person i would listen to… we do use all fiber cables put in 90th and we lay more each year, the recent one connects London and NY exchanges. Next, there is no AI without datacenters. If we plan to produce millions of robots each year we better have enough compute

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Burns1 个月前

@theallinpod It’s all Hopium, oh, but wait, they have real revenues😜 but what are the revenues of all this investment🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

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James Sullivan1 个月前

@theallinpod But what’s the alternative? Be a sitting duck and get eaten by your competition?

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Rafael Wolf - Michigan 81 个月前

@theallinpod Laying fiber was a money laundering scheme to pump Wall Street bags and create a retail investor piranha feeding frenzy of buying as exit liquidity. The data center boom for artificial intelligence is exactly that and I think Mark Cuban is a loser douchebag but he's right.

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Daniel1 个月前

@theallinpod Most probably wont even be built. But the rest will probably become gulags or insane asylums. America really is ground zero for when SHTF.

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truthseekr1 个月前

@theallinpod I rarely agree with him, but hes right this time.

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DoubleDeuce1 个月前

@theallinpod So Cuban is saying that we don't use all of that fiber cabling now? I thought it all got bought up when prices collapsed, but maybe he's right, it goes completely unused now because the growth of Internet-usage never happened after the 90's peak capacity.

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Longterm1 个月前

@theallinpod The issue with the comparison is that the companies that laid fiber optics everywhere did it before it was needed and we only used about 5% of the capacity so they all went out of business. Nowhere near the same issue demand for power is real. 10 - 20 leases are the proof

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Dustin

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Mark Cuban: “A lot of data centers will be turned into pickleball courts.” Mark Cuban: “What's happening now is the market leaders, Google, Meta. etc, they're borrowing hundreds of billions of dollars. And there's already a private credit problem right now. Just layer on private credit, and then you have these huge companies that have cash flow, but they're spending all their cash flow on CapEx, and then they're borrowing on top of that. That's planning for perfection. And that's going to be hard. And we're building these data centers, and if there's a price-performance curve on AI that minimizes the power requirements, there's going to be a lot of data centers that are going to be turned into pickleball courts. Everybody thinks that there's going to be so much more utilization. And there will be. It'll just scale like everybody expects. But there's going to be technological breakthroughs as well. Just like we saw fiber back in the day, it was all about putting in fiber. Then it went from 1GB fiber, to 10GB, to 100GB, and then there wasn't a fiber problem anymore. There wasn't a bandwidth problem anymore.” @jason: “It was quite the opposite. We had dark fiber that people bought for pennies on the dollar.” Cuban: “Just sitting there, right? And how is it not going to be the case that we don't get the same price performance improvements on the AI side and on the data center side?” ------------------------------ Thanks to our partners for making this possible! Most advertisers have never heard of the platform with an $11B annual run rate in ad spend. AppLovin Ads — 1B+ daily active users, full-screen video ads watched for a median of 35 seconds, and businesses are profitably spending hundreds of thousands of dollars a day on it. Advertiser access is in closed beta. The window is open at Starting a business? Northwest Registered Agent LLC gives you everything you need to build a complete Business Identity including free tools and built-in privacy. Get more at

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