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Maximum Ignorance Probability: What do you do when you must estimate a probability and there is ZERO information? Surgeon did 60 operations & 0 failure. What's the failure rate? I realized the trick wasn't in the literature when someone wrote a paper in SPL on my blog post.

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Tyler Foxworthyvor 2 Jahren

There was a great paper from Kaplan and Garrick in the late 70s applied to transport of hazardous nuclear waste and the actuaries’ collective inability to price the risk because a rail disaster hadn’t happened yet! Similar method

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Nassim Nicholas Talebvor 2 Jahren

Thanks a million!

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Robert J Freyvor 2 Jahren

When I worked for a defense contractor in the late 70s/early ' 80s this approach was a common way engineers evaluated systems’ reliability with limited information.

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Ljubomir Josifovskivor 2 Jahren

Laplace’s rule gives me 1/62, and then I'd approx halve that again so approx round number 1/100. Saw it here on Laplace rule limitations

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Zhuo Xivor 2 Jahren

Concise and elegant. The probability can also be updated with new information (for example if the surgeon had 20 more operations and still got 0 failure)

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jardoishvor 2 Jahren

this book profiles similar scenarios (Bayesian Statistics)

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Markus Heimerlvor 2 Jahren

You still have your prior and that is free to choose. A good one might be the average failure rate of all surgeons. If your prior is unreasonable, the peer review will point that out.

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Kevin Van Hornvor 2 Jahren

The max-entropy distribution for p is uniform over [0,1]. Using this as a Bayesian prior, we get a probability of 1/(1 + 61) = 1/62 ≈ 1.61% of mortality for the thoracic surgeon's next surgery, which is higher than Taleb's number. Unexpected for the author of The Black Swan 😉. I get this same answer again if I assume that * for each surgery there are K possible detailed conditions, * i of these lead to mortality, and * 0 <= i <= K, but i is otherwise unknown, and then simply use a counting argument applying the classical definition of probability, taking the limit as K goes to infinity. This argument assumes that the detailed conditions are sufficiently detailed that they determine mortality.

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wowvor 2 Jahren

Slides hard to follow, but it's a concept worth deepening

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UPbeat_libravor 2 Jahren

Sir, what do you think about Bitcoin? I’m just kidding LOOOOOOOL

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