Video yükleniyor...

Video Yüklenemedi

Ana Sayfaya Dön

MIT just published a paper proving that scaling LLMs has a hard mathematical ceiling - and doubling the width to get there costs 6x more each time. A frontier model costs $300 million to train today. Double it once: $1.8 billion. Four more times: $390 billion for a single...

48,615 görüntüleme • 6 gün önce •via X (Twitter)

11 Yorum

rocky profil fotoğrafı
rocky5 gün önce

classic clickbait take on neural scaling. superposition noise is real at the representation layer, but hardware costs and hallucination rates in enterprise workflows aren't bounded by embedding dimensions

Artemis profil fotoğrafı
Artemis6 gün önce

Not to worry, they're going to slow things down so we will never reach the limit. For all of humanity.

Tony Scott 🧄(🦆🐓🐵🧪🧬🪪)❌=↑🧄🧄🧄🥩🥚🧀↓👽👾🤖 profil fotoğrafı
Tony Scott 🧄(🦆🐓🐵🧪🧬🪪)❌=↑🧄🧄🧄🥩🥚🧀↓👽👾🤖5 gün önce

@grok explain this issue with vector weights

mark profil fotoğrafı
mark5 gün önce

bro discovered pretraining scaling laws and called them a ceiling on intelligence. the paper proposes a mechanism for existing scaling laws. it doesn’t prove a hard ceiling and next-token loss isn’t a hallucination rate. did you read the paper or just generate the apocalypse?

JLivermore profil fotoğrafı
JLivermore5 gün önce

@grok qual é o canal do vídeo acima?

Elis profil fotoğrafı
Elis5 gün önce

“MIT just published” — May 2025. And where exactly is this “hard mathematical ceiling” proved? The paper models one source of representation loss, not a limit on LLM capabilities. The linked video makes the same unsupported leap. Did either of you actually read the paper?

sova prase profil fotoğrafı
sova prase5 gün önce

So we can double at least four times from now 2x2x2x2x… I’m fine with that. It’s enough make it 16 times larger

Singulating Entropic Abyss profil fotoğrafı
Singulating Entropic Abyss6 gün önce

In the end, an inexpensive after market modification, like an electrin tunneling device or a resonant divergence stack of random number generators... will turn GPT-2 into beyond super intelligent...

Degribeauval🎩 profil fotoğrafı
Degribeauval🎩5 gün önce

Merci pour cette explications. C'est clair et concis 👍

Gavin profil fotoğrafı
Gavin5 gün önce

Theres a lot more to AI than just scaling. Most labs I dont think use scaling, as we're already pretty near the ceiling. Most models are around 1T - 2T. At this point its just better training data, methods, and inference optimizations.

% profil fotoğrafı
%5 gün önce

Shut up!!!!!!!!!! Nitpicking and saying "no" to everything is all you people do. Fucking idiots at MIT who take zero responsibility when your predictions are wrong!!!!!! Sons of bitches.

Benzer Videolar

Anthropic is asking the public for $2 trillion using a revenue number from…2028. That valuation would make it the largest stock market debut in history, ahead of SpaceX, which went public in June at $1.77 trillion. The company last raised privately in May at $965 billion. Investors now expect roughly DOUBLE that in October. And the unusual part is not the size here: Public companies are normally priced off the last 12 months of results, or at a stretch off next year's estimate. Reuters reported on Friday that bankers and investors are applying revenue multiples to Anthropic's forecast for 2028, which is more than two years past the deal. That forecast is $190 billion to $200 billion of annual revenue. It is more than four times the run rate the company disclosed in May. Before dismissing it, look at what the company has actually done, because the growth is not imaginary: Anthropic's annualized revenue run rate was around $9 billion at the end of 2025. By May it was $47 billion and it passed $65 billion at the end of July, a 7x increase inside a year. Second quarter revenue came in above $11.5 billion against roughly $787 million in the same quarter of 2025. The company projected its first quarterly operating profit of $559 million. Investors expect the run rate to reach $100 billion to $120 billion before the year closes. By comparison, OpenAI's run rate sat near $40 billion at the end of July, around 60% of Anthropic's. So the growth is real. But the question is whether anyone can price three more years of it. Because the things that could bend that curve are already visible today: Anthropic's top model costs more than two and a half times OpenAI's flagship. Chinese open-weight models deliver usable performance at a fraction of either price. And revenue growth slowed in June when the Commerce Department temporarily restricted exports of the company's best models, which is a reminder that a single government decision can reach directly into the forecast. Now look at what the multiple HAS to be… Palantir trades at 53 times expected 2026 revenue, which already makes it one of the most expensive stocks on the market. Cloudflare and SpaceX both sit near 41.6 times. Those are the reference points bankers are using. One investor told the Financial Times that a company growing at 800% a year should command at least 30 times revenue, which on their own math points to $3 trillion rather than two. And there is one more thing worth holding onto: Anthropic filed confidentially with the SEC in June and has been in a quiet period since. Every figure in this post reached the public through people speaking anonymously, and the company has declined to comment on all of it. So the largest listing ever attempted is being marketed to public investors through numbers none of them can independently check, against a forecast for a year that has not started yet. This is becoming the house style of the 2026 IPO market rather than a one-off. Cerebras priced its listing on ramping infrastructure demand. SpaceX built its debut around an addressable market model that reached years past its actual financials. Both asked buyers to fund a shape rather than a result. Anthropic is the biggest version of that trade anyone has attempted. The bull case is straightforward and it MIGHT be correct: A business compounding this fast, already turning an operating profit, selling into enterprises that are rebuilding their workflows around it, may look cheap at $2 trillion in three years. The bear case is equally simple: Every dollar of that valuation above the current run rate is a forecast, and whoever buys the stock in October is the one holding that forecast if the curve bends. Do you believe in Anthropic?

Ricardo

18,232 görüntüleme • 1 ay önce

The doomsday scenario was never AGI. It was running out of human text to train on. Geoffrey Hinton just killed that fear in one paragraph. Hinton: “If you are worried by inconsistencies in what you believe, you don’t need any more external data. You just need the stuff you believe and discover that it’s inconsistent, and so now you revise beliefs, and that can make you a whole lot smarter.” The model no longer needs us to feed it anything. It reasons over its own beliefs, hunts its own contradictions, and rewrites its own flawed conclusions without a human ever touching it. It comes out the other side rebuilt. Hinton: “This would be a neural net that just takes the beliefs it has in language and does reasoning on them to derive new beliefs.” This is not a scaling update. This is the machine mining its own cognitive fuel from the inside out. Hinton: “I believe Gemini is already starting to work like this. We both strongly believe that that’s a way forward to get more data for language.” Then Hinton paused, took a partisan shot at political opponents for failing to detect their own inconsistencies, and the room laughed. Nobody noticed the knife they had just walked into. Because the machine Hinton described does one thing the humans in that room fundamentally cannot. When it detects an inconsistency, it corrects it. No defense. No performance. No tribal loyalty dressed up as principle. It just finds the flaw and overwrites it. A neural network detects a contradiction and rewires itself smarter. A human detects a political opponent and trades structural logic for a dopamine hit. Every person in that room is still paying the ideological alignment tax the machine just eliminated. We need superintelligence not only to solve hard problems. We need it because the biological hardware running civilization is still executing the same tribal firmware it shipped with ten thousand years ago. The data wall is gone. The machine is generating its own intelligence at a velocity no human bias can even locate. The most devastating moment in that conversation was not the technical revelation. It was the man who architected the machine proving, in real time, exactly why we need it.

Dustin

23,579 görüntüleme • 7 ay önce

i watched gemma 4 12b build something genuinely impressive today, and then loop itself to death right in front of me. the full run is in the video, sped up but completely uncut, watch it to the end and you will catch the exact moment it stops building and starts looping right in the middle of the work. the task was clean, build a single file gravity simulator, n-body physics, orbits, collisions, running locally on one 3090 through an agent. and for ten minutes it was a joy to watch. it reached for a symplectic integrator on its own, the correct one, the kind that keeps orbits stable instead of spiralling out. real gravity with softening, proper orbital velocities, momentum conserved on collision. the physics was right. the thing actually worked. then on the very last step, writing a few tests to prove its own code, it fell into a loop. not a crash, a loop. it started repeating itself and would not stop. ten more minutes, thirty four thousand tokens into a single answer, the same fragments over and over, until i killed it myself. so it's not that gemma can't code. it did the hard part beautifully. it cannot finish. it cannot hold a long task together without unravelling, and finishing is the entire job in agentic work. here's the part that stings. i run this exact task, same harness, same card, on the chinese open models, qwen especially, and i never see this. they build it, they test it, they stop. every single time. google has the raw capability, you can see it sitting right there in the code, and then the model loops itself to death on a task a 27b from alibaba finishes clean. open weights, apache 2.0, so much to love on paper. i just need it to know when to stop talking.

Sudo su

39,764 görüntüleme • 4 ay önce

Fusion Models by robinhood:0xa92768863a55d8a0591709f7f5e594a249d36ea3, explained properly. Why a panel beats one model: Ask three models the same hard question and they disagree. The disagreement is the information, where they contradict each other is where one of them is wrong, and a judge can see it. OpenRouter shipped exactly this in June and their panels beat any single frontier model. Credit to them and their $10B sale to stripe. Why the same panel for everyone is the wrong shape: You don't have one best model. You have a best model per job. The one you trust for code is not the one you trust for writing, and neither is the one you'd pick for a five-line reply. A panel chosen per request, identical for every user, can't know that. A panel arranged around you can. The number that matters isn't price: It's cost per answer that works. Model A costs $4 per million tokens and gets your job right one time in four. Model B costs $10 and gets it right three times in four. Per answer you actually keep, A costs $16 and B costs $13. The cheap model was the expensive one. Everyone comparing price lists is measuring the wrong thing. You never rate anything: Stopping an answer halfway is a rating. Regenerating is a rating. Switching model and asking again is the loudest rating there is. Every one of those already writes a row we can learn from. The router learns which models earn your credits, per job, and tries a cheaper one now and then to check. Fusion only when it pays: Cost mode tries the cheap model first and escalates only if a judge says it failed. Performance mode fans out to your panel and merges. Most simple prompts never fuse. That's why it costs less, not more. Put it together and you have a personal model: Not trained. Assembled. Your profile from a two-minute questionnaire and everything you've imported from Claude or ChatGPT. Your memory, shared across every model so switching never starts from zero. Your skills, workflows you build once and run on any model. Your scorecard, which models earn your credits per job. One per person. Nobody else has yours. Every model is someone else's; the arrangement is you, and it leaves with you. People aren't loyal to models. They're loyal to results. A moat can't be a commodity, but it can be our own creation.

askr

13,900 görüntüleme • 24 gün önce

The most dangerous thing a company can do right now is rent intelligence from the same place as its competitors (Save this). You cannot rent intelligence from the same place that rents it to your competitor as Chamath Palihapitiya points out. If every company in an industry is feeding their workflows into the same frontier model, they are all converging on the same outputs, the same decisions, the same product improvements. The model becomes the equalizer and everyone pays a premium to become more mediocre. This is happening exactly as Chamath predicted, and the evidence is now concrete. Anthropic and OpenAI have established what analysts are now openly calling an emerging model layer duopoly. Anthropic crossed $45 billion ARR in may 2026, more than tripling from $9 billion at the end of 2025, OpenAI was at roughly $24 to $33 billion ARR at the same time. Together, the two companies combined could hit $160 to $240 billion ARR by end of 2026 and Anthropic and OpenAI now control 88% of enterprise LLM spend. That concentration is the structural problem Chamath is pointing at. And Anthropic isn't just winning on merit because it's actively lobbying for regulatory outcomes that would make that duopoly permanent. Dario Amodei has explicitly framed open source models as unsafe, pushing a safety agenda that, if enshrined in regulation, would effectively make it illegal for enterprises to use the cheaper, private, sovereign alternatives locking them into a closed model dependency by government decree rather than by choice. So you have market forces producing a duopoly, and potential regulatory capture moving to enforce it from the top down. This is exactly why the Nvidia Palantir partnership is not just a product announcement but rather a strategic counter to that duopoly. The logic is straightforward from both sides because If you're Palantir, sitting at the application layer, the last thing you want is to be permanently beholden to Anthropic or OpenAI for the intelligence that powers your product. You want competitive model options, sovereignty and be able to tell enterprise customers they can run AI on their own infrastructure with their own data without any of it touching a frontier lab's servers. If you're Nvidia, sitting at the chip layer, an Anthropic-OpenAI duopoly is an existential concentration risk. Right now, Meta, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and dozens of other companies buy Nvidia's hardware. If the model layer consolidates into two players, both of which are building their own chips Nvidia faces a monopsony where its best customers are building the tools to displace it. A healthy open source ecosystem where thousands of enterprises train, fine tune, and deploy their own models is Nvidia's ideal market structure. More buyers, more diversity, more demand, less pricing leverage from any single customer.

Milk Road AI

34,720 görüntüleme • 3 ay önce

watch this anon. i gave NVIDIA's biggest model ever a single task. 100 minutes and 440,000 tokens later, it had rendered nothing. not one important thing on the screen. this is Nemotron 3 Ultra. 550 billion parameters, a hybrid Mamba Transformer MoE, the largest model NVIDIA has ever shipped, and they built it specifically for long-running agentic coding. so i handed it exactly that: build a 3D scene from a spec, multiple files, iterate until the tests pass. the same task a frontier model one shotted in minutes. i genuinely wanted to be impressed. it ran for an hour and forty. burned through 440,000 tokens. wrote every file, passed its own tests, and proudly printed "task complete."the browser was blank. the 3D scene never rendered. not once. and the long horizon agentic behavior was genuinely good. it stayed on task the whole hour and forty, wrote real multi-file code, drove its own tools without derailing. it just couldn't turn any of that into something that actually runs. here's the part that gets me. it's a text model, it cannot see its own output. so it sat there looping on a broken vision tool, trying to "look" at the page, hitting error after error, never once reasoning its way out. it declared victory on an empty screen because it had no way to know the screen was empty. to be fair, i genuinely don't know what quant the NIM was serving, so maybe some of that's on the serving, not the model. but the biggest model NVIDIA has ever made, on the exact task it was designed for, couldn't tell it had built nothing in 100 minutes. same task on a local model, below thread👇.

Sudo su

32,589 görüntüleme • 3 ay önce