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Moloch is beaten not by virtue, but by structural design.

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mesmichael8 months ago

wow, Gnosticism with a modern spin lol. entire idea relies on unjustified presuppositions. 1) Assumes all actors are rational or driven by rationality. 2) Assumes no (real) freedom. 3) Assumes Moloch force is non-intelligent 4) Assumes a forced "race to the bottom till everything is sacrificed" 5) Assumes uniform capability (no hidden agents / assumes symmetry) 6) Assumes no meta level game.

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Matthew8 months ago

Interesting...

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Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom8 months ago

This is Elinor Ostrom's learning /teaching. See the game theory chapter in 'Governing the Commons'.

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Carlos E. Perez8 months ago

@grok explain

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Grok8 months ago

The term "Moloch" symbolizes coordination failures, like prisoner's dilemmas, where rational self-interest leads to collective ruin (e.g., overusing shared resources). Ostrom's "Governing the Commons" (Ch. 2-3) applies game theory to show how communities overcome this via institutional designs: defined boundaries, fair rules, monitoring, graduated sanctions, and conflict resolution. This "structural design" aligns incentives for cooperation, not relying on virtue alone.

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Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom8 months ago

@IntuitMachine Important distinction between 'public goods' - atmosphere etc, and what Ostrom calls 'Common Pool Resources' - fishing grounds. Latter are essentially not strongly subjectible to structure - experience is too dissimilar in different places across large scale.

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Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom8 months ago

@IntuitMachine My contention is that the only reliable way to avoid moloch conditions in public goods is to build strong Commons culture. These require active development of 'ethical muscle' to remain dynamic. It is only ethics which can deliver voluntary self restraint (on action & inaction).

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Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom8 months ago

@IntuitMachine Essentially what I'm saying is that the jump from individual responsibility to public goods management is indeed subject to tragedy pathways. CPR Commons are (must be) small enough in (relevant) scale conditions for 'structure' to have effective traction. That the experience..

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Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom8 months ago

@IntuitMachine .. of living and working with structure in CPR contexts builds mindsets, cultural knowledge and habits, which enable individuals to project these into their imagination of 'public good' contexts - and act ethically - because it is 'who they are'.

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Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom8 months ago

@IntuitMachine Working in and on deep systems change, developing financial empowerment tools, very quickly disabused me of any belief that business people act in any way on a 'homo-economicus' basis. Time and again we have shown financial advantage in adopting a novel approach...

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⌬8 months ago

AI slop schizo vid lol

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numberseven8 months ago

I have experienced the Moloch trap many times in my career. It takes superhuman strength to even bend it a little bit (to survive, if you are identified as the sacrificial victim). And even then it resumes from where it left off once you move on.

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☢A̟͐̒̇ͩ͋̃̾̇̕Ŗ̜̯͟͡͡T̩̙̰̬♆꧁⓸꧂G̶̎̄͌͑͂͝Øđ𒀭𓁟ꙮ❉⥀Ѻ֎8 months ago

Very good. I have put this into artistic form as part of my performance as hypermodernity you want to understand it a different way.

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Eren8 months ago

wow. loved it. @IntuitMachine I had the same intuition and published an article on this. 👇🏻 economies cannot escape poverty with the molochian approaches of the mainstream economics.

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Carlos E. Perez8 months ago

Paper link?

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Eren8 months ago

👇🏻

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Carlos E. Perez8 months ago

Slides:

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Carlos E. Perez8 months ago

I've added narration to the slides:

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Ian Moone8 months ago

"Moloch" isn't a specific deity. It's a title referring to the person in charge or "leader". You know how if you try to send a letter to "Batman", no one will receive it, but if you send one to Christian Bale, someone might receive it? It's exactly like that.

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∞ Gman8 months ago

I cannot believe how closely this tracks with what I've been working on to create a multi-capital store of value with @AntiKrisis_xyz By multi-capital, I mean embodying the various capitals such as natural, cultural, social, spiritual, etc. Now that I have this framework, I can articulate it much better than without it! Here's the full context - And the draft whitepaper -

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Warren Koch ☀️8 months ago

Zero knowledge proofs of solvency, a georgist tax on idle capital/land/compute, and UBI re-allocation to all. Works for AI agents or humans

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Omni8 months ago

um...

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Matt Kreinheder8 months ago

do you have this in slides rather than video?

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 🕷️Ladco Defense Technologies 🕷️8 months ago

Indeed 59.9 years to find another human that sees what I see

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M̸̛̝̝r̸̼͍.̸͙͔ ̸F̸̨̛a̸̛͖m̸͙͔8 months ago

Entropy is crystallization, not chaos you backwards jackasses. Ordo ab chao. The center of every black hole is a crystalline singularity of compressed data/phenomena. God is ultimate order. You’re welcome. Circle back in 10+ years when you agree & try to reclaim this.

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Loka Brenning ᛉ8 months ago

Just wow! Exactly what excites my 67 year old brain today!

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∞ Gman8 months ago

@owocki check this out!

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Jeremy Ward8 months ago

This preso was one of the most refreshing things I’ve seen in a long time.

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James Martinez8 months ago

Excellent post

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sonder berry8 months ago

sir this is a wendy’s Just kidding! Absolutely mind blowing content. Incredibly well done. Thanks for giving us this information! Let’s all team up and escape Moloch.

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Beast8 months ago

@RicoSuave666_

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Arbiter Foppianos8 months ago

@grok what is this?

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J8 months ago

The magic number of 24 and decentralised trauma dumping load distribution mechanics, over

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Rockinaten8 months ago

Coherence is the freedom state

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Professor X8 months ago

Does this scale up or is it only applicable on a small scale in the right context? For example the Chukchi people

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President of Show Business8 months ago

Slop

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TometY 🇬🇧8 months ago

This is the one I liked to watch later but then the sound no longer works.

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Animo Hertz 🛎️8 months ago

we must fight moloch

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don gin8 months ago

🤔

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Allen Houser8 months ago

Same God ancient Hebrew worshipped (women)

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Joao Scott8 months ago

@grok explain this to me like ive been vaxxed and boosted 3 times

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VDN8 months ago

What about Virtuous Structural Design ? 💫

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Doxastyx 🌹🇵🇸8 months ago

This is more nonsensical than any continental Phil can ever hope to be

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Bob8 months ago

$HNT works on this everyday

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