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Moloch is beaten not by virtue, but by structural design.

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mesmichael8 个月前

wow, Gnosticism with a modern spin lol. entire idea relies on unjustified presuppositions. 1) Assumes all actors are rational or driven by rationality. 2) Assumes no (real) freedom. 3) Assumes Moloch force is non-intelligent 4) Assumes a forced "race to the bottom till everything is sacrificed" 5) Assumes uniform capability (no hidden agents / assumes symmetry) 6) Assumes no meta level game.

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Matthew8 个月前

Interesting...

Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom 的头像
Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom8 个月前

This is Elinor Ostrom's learning /teaching. See the game theory chapter in 'Governing the Commons'.

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Carlos E. Perez8 个月前

@grok explain

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Grok8 个月前

The term "Moloch" symbolizes coordination failures, like prisoner's dilemmas, where rational self-interest leads to collective ruin (e.g., overusing shared resources). Ostrom's "Governing the Commons" (Ch. 2-3) applies game theory to show how communities overcome this via institutional designs: defined boundaries, fair rules, monitoring, graduated sanctions, and conflict resolution. This "structural design" aligns incentives for cooperation, not relying on virtue alone.

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Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom8 个月前

@IntuitMachine Important distinction between 'public goods' - atmosphere etc, and what Ostrom calls 'Common Pool Resources' - fishing grounds. Latter are essentially not strongly subjectible to structure - experience is too dissimilar in different places across large scale.

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Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom8 个月前

@IntuitMachine My contention is that the only reliable way to avoid moloch conditions in public goods is to build strong Commons culture. These require active development of 'ethical muscle' to remain dynamic. It is only ethics which can deliver voluntary self restraint (on action & inaction).

Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom 的头像
Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom8 个月前

@IntuitMachine Essentially what I'm saying is that the jump from individual responsibility to public goods management is indeed subject to tragedy pathways. CPR Commons are (must be) small enough in (relevant) scale conditions for 'structure' to have effective traction. That the experience..

Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom 的头像
Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom8 个月前

@IntuitMachine .. of living and working with structure in CPR contexts builds mindsets, cultural knowledge and habits, which enable individuals to project these into their imagination of 'public good' contexts - and act ethically - because it is 'who they are'.

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Dil Green: Novel: -Money/-Governance/-Wisdom8 个月前

@IntuitMachine Working in and on deep systems change, developing financial empowerment tools, very quickly disabused me of any belief that business people act in any way on a 'homo-economicus' basis. Time and again we have shown financial advantage in adopting a novel approach...

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⌬8 个月前

AI slop schizo vid lol

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numberseven8 个月前

I have experienced the Moloch trap many times in my career. It takes superhuman strength to even bend it a little bit (to survive, if you are identified as the sacrificial victim). And even then it resumes from where it left off once you move on.

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☢A̟͐̒̇ͩ͋̃̾̇̕Ŗ̜̯͟͡͡T̩̙̰̬♆꧁⓸꧂G̶̎̄͌͑͂͝Øđ𒀭𓁟ꙮ❉⥀Ѻ֎8 个月前

Very good. I have put this into artistic form as part of my performance as hypermodernity you want to understand it a different way.

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Eren8 个月前

wow. loved it. @IntuitMachine I had the same intuition and published an article on this. 👇🏻 economies cannot escape poverty with the molochian approaches of the mainstream economics.

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Carlos E. Perez8 个月前

Paper link?

Eren 的头像
Eren8 个月前

👇🏻

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Carlos E. Perez8 个月前

Slides:

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Carlos E. Perez8 个月前

I've added narration to the slides:

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Ian Moone8 个月前

"Moloch" isn't a specific deity. It's a title referring to the person in charge or "leader". You know how if you try to send a letter to "Batman", no one will receive it, but if you send one to Christian Bale, someone might receive it? It's exactly like that.

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∞ Gman8 个月前

I cannot believe how closely this tracks with what I've been working on to create a multi-capital store of value with @AntiKrisis_xyz By multi-capital, I mean embodying the various capitals such as natural, cultural, social, spiritual, etc. Now that I have this framework, I can articulate it much better than without it! Here's the full context - And the draft whitepaper -

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Warren Koch ☀️8 个月前

Zero knowledge proofs of solvency, a georgist tax on idle capital/land/compute, and UBI re-allocation to all. Works for AI agents or humans

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Omni8 个月前

um...

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Matt Kreinheder8 个月前

do you have this in slides rather than video?

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 🕷️Ladco Defense Technologies 🕷️8 个月前

Indeed 59.9 years to find another human that sees what I see

M̸̛̝̝r̸̼͍.̸͙͔ ̸F̸̨̛a̸̛͖m̸͙͔ 的头像
M̸̛̝̝r̸̼͍.̸͙͔ ̸F̸̨̛a̸̛͖m̸͙͔8 个月前

Entropy is crystallization, not chaos you backwards jackasses. Ordo ab chao. The center of every black hole is a crystalline singularity of compressed data/phenomena. God is ultimate order. You’re welcome. Circle back in 10+ years when you agree & try to reclaim this.

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Loka Brenning ᛉ8 个月前

Just wow! Exactly what excites my 67 year old brain today!

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∞ Gman8 个月前

@owocki check this out!

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Jeremy Ward8 个月前

This preso was one of the most refreshing things I’ve seen in a long time.

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James Martinez8 个月前

Excellent post

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sonder berry8 个月前

sir this is a wendy’s Just kidding! Absolutely mind blowing content. Incredibly well done. Thanks for giving us this information! Let’s all team up and escape Moloch.

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Beast8 个月前

@RicoSuave666_

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Arbiter Foppianos8 个月前

@grok what is this?

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J8 个月前

The magic number of 24 and decentralised trauma dumping load distribution mechanics, over

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Rockinaten8 个月前

Coherence is the freedom state

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Professor X8 个月前

Does this scale up or is it only applicable on a small scale in the right context? For example the Chukchi people

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President of Show Business8 个月前

Slop

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TometY 🇬🇧8 个月前

This is the one I liked to watch later but then the sound no longer works.

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Animo Hertz 🛎️8 个月前

we must fight moloch

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don gin8 个月前

🤔

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Allen Houser8 个月前

Same God ancient Hebrew worshipped (women)

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Joao Scott8 个月前

@grok explain this to me like ive been vaxxed and boosted 3 times

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VDN8 个月前

What about Virtuous Structural Design ? 💫

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Doxastyx 🌹🇵🇸8 个月前

This is more nonsensical than any continental Phil can ever hope to be

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Bob8 个月前

$HNT works on this everyday

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