Muslims don't care about colonization

Rare miss on this one chief, it's actually very rational and principled to be against power projection when it comes at the expense of your people, yet be in favor of power projection when it benefits your people.

So you have no principles, no vision for a better humanity, no hope for the future, just stupid tribalism and warlordism

I do have principles, and one of them is that serious people, irrespective of what they try to make unserious people think, will never subordinate their survival, or the survival of their people, to lofty sounding ideals.

So why do you appeal to those lofty ideas when you lose?

Same reason the West appeals to democracy and human rights when doing so aligns with their strategic interests. These lofty ideas are tools with which you can exert power, a means to an end, not an end themselves, at least on the geopolitical level.

I see the argument, but Muslim powers were in the business of empires, not colonies. There is a difference

You’ve been on a generational run. Thanks for articulating what some of us believed for years but would be called coconuts or self haters

I mean, wasn’t the Oman empire very clearly a colonial empire comparable to Portugal?

Thanks for telling the truth We Hindus are sick of being gaslit about the Mughals

Overseas colonization is not the same thing as conquest. Conquest is just the result of fighting your neighbors which was the default state of the world before 1945. Whereas colonization meant sailing over to another continent and subjugating people posing no conceivable threat.

Iam a Muslim and d Islamic empires were colonial conquest, they traded slaves etc g from all continents, we Muslims did all d evils the modern day colonial powers did, still glad to be a Muslim but it is not rosy history like we always tell ourselves.

Because sharia clearly rules you’re not allowed to kill children, women, elderly and clerics nor destroy churches. Western colonialism is rooted in exploitation. They took all their wealth to themselves. Islamic conquest didn’t steal wealth from lands to take it to Mecca.

Othmans massacres in the prophet city, Madinah.

Yes muslim conquest is based actually and a good thing. The conquered areas became cultural and economic hubs. The western colonizers just rape and pillage every area they go to

I say this as well. My Edo ancestors built an empire south of Nigeria on blood, sweat and tears of its neighbours. Then the Brits came and took power away from us. It’s the way of the World - the stronger at every time dictates the day. I just say I was born in the wrong generation

Muslims are colonists and genociders, they are just complaining now because they are getting their ass handed to them and have been backward for centuries compare with West Hyopcritic to complain about genocide. They did it to everyone else not long ago

You're right, Muslims who complain about western imperialism are hypocrites, but the story is far from over, the "west" hasn't won at all. Our message to the "west" & all enemies of Islam is: don't show any mercy towards the Muslim world, don't withhold anything.

Not to mention Genocide of Armenians, Assyrians and Yezidis at the hands of Ottomans.

As a Greek this is totally maddening to watch. I’ve had Turks call Greeks colonises when my very own grandparents were ethnically cleansed from their ancient homeland. How can they deny Northern Cyprus, that’s only 50 years ago! The refugees are still alive.

Ottomans conquests were a response to the Crusades. You don't get to do not 1 but 8 crusades in a row and then complain about pacification. Unlike the Crusades the Ottomans never put a single city to the sword. Europeans are lucky Muslims aren't genocidal barbarians like them.

Oohhwww he's 🤣"Persian" 🤣 also known as Copiumistan. We didnt rule over the Greeks we ruled over the Eastern Roman Empire

What hell is wrong with you? Did the colonizers put you up to this? Blink twice if they have your family hostage! If not, then STFU!

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The Mughals were not colonizers wth do you think india was a colony of Bukhara for 300 years

I'm with you.

This point is similar to Bernard Lewis’s argument. Modern colonialism and warfare differ from earlier forms of conquest. Colonialism is not another version of conquest. I appreciate your point about being sore losers within these post-colonial circles.

Love when people like you tell the truth about history and show no emotion just pure facts from reliable sources

Absolutely right everything you said is correct

Dhulm is dhulm let’s not defend it, but at the end of the day Islamic expansion was not extractive for the sole benefit of the metropole, every single society was lifted up when Islam came. Not a single one was worse off than before, at the very least they were given tawheed.

Saying this as a non-Muslim, but the Muslim colonization of India that you speak of enriched India so much that all of the white world colonized us, and even America in pursuit of colonizing us. If there was actual British style exploitation, 🇦🇫 would be the richest nation.

Rare to hear normalcy

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Your support for surrender to the West and Israel, and for "peace" imposed at gunpoint, while condemning freedom fighters in Gaza, destroys your credibility. Your entire worldview is filtered through a liberal lens.

If this guy isnt a j ewish plant, then Ive got a foreign war to sell you!

because Islam fundamentally claims to be perfect, unchanging for all of time. Any changes to it are inventions but muslims don't want to admit that

The ottomans were colonial but nobody else really was. The religion thing wasn't forced in most cases