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Now that #Bitcoin sidechains are popular again, is it time to give Liquid Network 🌊 its dues? Cool chat with two of my favorite builders at bitcoin++ last month; Michael & tiero 👾. Full interview incoming 👀

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kortik 🇦🇲 #FreeSamouraivor 2 Jahren

@Liquid_BTC @btcplusplus @michael1011at @tierotiero Which entities control peg out?

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mrwagmi.btcvor 2 Jahren

@Liquid_BTC @btcplusplus @michael1011at @tierotiero You fudded @Stacks and then post a video shilling a federated chain??????😂 Joke. Your bias shows. At least keep it unbiased and let the free market decide.

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Shehzanvor 2 Jahren

@Liquid_BTC @btcplusplus @michael1011at @tierotiero @michael1011at and @tierotiero are legends

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This one's for the Crypto Whales 📣 NEW exclusive & luxurious experiences have been added to Apply today & #TravelUnlikeAnyOther with your favorite cryptocurrency. #Bitcoin

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Abraham'S🅣 ☀️vor 2 Jahren

@BitcoinMagazine @Liquid_BTC @btcplusplus @michael1011at @tierotiero hey man, can I take your interview to translate it into Spanish?

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muthuvor 2 Jahren

@Liquid_BTC @btcplusplus @michael1011at @tierotiero I am very curious to know why the major CeXs don’t yet support Liquid. I would imagine for instance it is easier for @Coinbase or @krakenfx to integrate Liquid compared to Lightning. What is the forcing function here ?

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Henriquevor 2 Jahren

@Liquid_BTC @btcplusplus @michael1011at @tierotiero Q1y 6

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axopoavor 2 Jahren

@Liquid_BTC @btcplusplus @michael1011at @tierotiero lmao, how much did they grant you for that?

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Christian.BTC 🟧🇵🇷🇺🇸28% Taino ❤️vor 2 Jahren

@BitcoinMagazine @Liquid_BTC @btcplusplus @michael1011at @tierotiero @Liquid_BTC is garbage, better yet, Hot Garbage. ‘Spoken with a French accent’

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Pleb Royale | SF | #Noderunnersvor 2 Jahren

@Liquid_BTC @btcplusplus @michael1011at @tierotiero meh

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@BitcoinMagazine @Liquid_BTC @btcplusplus @michael1011at @tierotiero Its amazing

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