oh... accidentally found third person view in MGS2MC, guess that'll go into MGSHDFix too. it locks the camera to overhead view when in super-tight corridors so you don't clip through walls, but otherwise... yeah, it been there for 15 years. will do some small fixes to it lol

we know they experimented with a 3D camera for the HD Collection of MGS2. Maybe, this code is what's left of those experiments.

It definitely is, everything related to it is labeled BP/Bluepoint

I'm really curious to try this. How would you say it compares to oct0xor's third-person view mod?

Aside from backporting this fix, I honestly haven't touched the 2003 PC port since around 2005, so I can't compare 😅 I'll be sure to toss you a link to the CI/preview build later for your notes though. (All MGSHDFix commits generate public test builds.)

Awesome, thanks!

wait, I'm confused. Wasn't there a dedicated fan who was trying to implement exactly this third-person camera behavior as a mod? You're saying the functionality was in the base game all along?

There was a completed mod for the 2003 PC port. Nobody was working on a version for the Master Collection version to my knowledge.

Although I am curious, is it a situation like MGS3 where the camera can be turned back into overhead view, or is it just locked permently unless settings are changed in MGSHDFix?

Will experiment more tomorrow, I poured a celebratory scotch and called it a night lmao Since it's driven by a var, if it does play nicely with being changed in realtime, I'll set it to work off R3 & a user set keyboard shortcut just like MGSHDFix's other settings - MGS3 style.

You're a god. Ever since I saw a similar mod for the PC version, I've been hoping for one for the Master Collection too. Will it work the same way?

Now what about First Person View Mode from VR

Will look into it!

Subsistiancestance

wtf do you mean "it been there for 15 years" 😭 this fucking game omg bro

Since you said 15 years, that means it was an HDC addition?

Yes.

As long as the Square button is both fire and aim, this mode is still hopeless

Aim was moved to L3 with the Xbox 360 version. MGSHDFix also already provides options so your gun doesn't go down after shooting w/ square & while holding L1.

The game was always 3rd person. Maybe choose your words more carefully.

You might be mixing up MGS3 Subsistence. MGS2 has a fixed-position top-down/isometric camera.

this is huge, i've been fighting with people to get the mod added. The mod from the OG PC version was open source.

Leaves me to wonder what oct0xor would think about seeing this. lol

I'm downloading this mod the INSTANT it's released 🙏

While ago I saw some people really HATE The Substance Of Subsistence mod for 2003 PC port, I wonder how they'll react to this discovering. lol Well tbh this kind of mod is just for fun on replays. For first playthrough I can see why it's not recommended.

this is so scary

@Daaaarling_ KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK O THIRD PERSON TÁ CODADO NA MASTER COLLECTION DO 2 WTF.

Dude holy shit, what??

Holy shit that’s actually the perfect system. And it’s been in there the whole time?

@BadHumans What happens if you have the blade equipped?

everything looks so tiny with this mode

Oh no the mordhau player plays this too

would be insane if it had feature parity with the mod

Holy shit

@saladinskull Honestly the fixed cam works fine in 2

Seems like it would need some work to make it feel less jank. It's a good addition nonetheless - although I don't feel MGS2 really needs it compared to something like MGS3.

already got a pcgamer article lmfaoooo

Finally

@LG___1998

WAIT how do u enable it? i want to try it

Not done yet, it'll be part of MGSHDFix once I've fixed up a few glitches I noticed. Hopefully out by the weekend if nothing comes up.

Thanks! I already had the mod lol, it's great! Can't wait to try it when it's up

😦

MGS2 in MGS3 Engine!!!

Honestly looks like it ruins the sneak puzzles and has potential to make it harder to backpress into hidden spots and look.

poor dude who made the og mod going through blood sweat and tears

I don’t have a PC to try yet, how does it play?? Do you think they made the right choice to exclude it?