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One Again, Eric Davis Confirms He Interviewed Admiral Wilson "Jay [Stratton] put Dave [Grusch], and Dave's boss and I together, and I briefed them for 2.5 days [on UAP programs and crash retrievals]." ~Dr. Eric Davis (Here's Eric Davis telling you he interviewed Admiral Wilson without actually saying it.... show more
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all of these words are turning into streams of garbage. Produce some damn photos and open a damn museum
Eric F’in Davis!!!! Killing it!
Thank you, it has been difficult to hear & this really helps 👍🏽
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@EngagingThe Eric Davis just dropped disclosure. Seriously, would anyone believe it more if Trump said the same stuff?
Idk, @blackvaultcom said for years it didn't happen. Someone got egg on their face and subsequent foia requests
After digging into @StevenFeric the win rate is just crazy. Used his approach as a guide, It’s $160K and counting.
Holy fuck Luna is right next to someone mentioning crash retrievals. Why would he just sit there and lie next to congress? He's kinda giving a briefing to them unofficially. This is getting wild. Pardon my language but Fuck. Joe hope your well mate
![⾨ 🛸👽 Is Dr. Hal Puthoff a True Insider and Gatekeeper? 👽🛸 ⾨ "It SEEMS like there is that crash retrieval program." ~HP "I can't say that I personally have been absolutely briefed on the crash retrieval program." ~HP ~ Gerb on Fresh Freedom Podcast: "At the UAPDF → Disclosure Foundation event, you (Puthoff) stated, if you revealed everything you knew about the subject, you would go to jail. So, I'm gonna take that as assuming you may have worked in a specific-national-program capacity on such projects of exotic, or technologies of unknown origin." (It's well known that Puthoff was involved, via his company, EarthTech, as a subcontractor in the UFO program, AAWSAP. He was the Senior Science Advisor. He was also involved with the follow-up effort (not an official program) known as AATIP. And yes, much of what they worked on was classified, and as far as we know, that's still the case today. So, Puthoff just can't share all that he knows or learned from that, or he could go to jail. In theory. Was Puthoff read into some other UFO-related program or SAP that he's just not telling us about? It seems like that's what Gerb was insinuating. My opinion? I don't think so. And Puthoff explained where his knowledge comes from in this interview from January of 2025. Did Gerb not see this?) Dr. Hal Puthoff: "Well, a program like that, crash retrievals, and so on, and deep analysis. I mean, this is something that, if it's occurring, you know, is still behind the scenes and highly classified." (IF it's occurring.) Puthoff: "However, I've interacted with the various intelligence officers who've been given the job, officially - actual official jobs - to dig out what's true about the so-called Legacy programs and crash retrievals and so on." (He's saying that his knowledge of any UFO-related Legacy programs (including anything on crash retrievals) is based on what other people have told him.) Puthoff: "People like David Grusch, who appeared before Congress, under oath, and he made the statement that, in fact, there is a Legacy program, we do have access to crash-retrieved craft, even crash-retrieved biologics. Knowing him and where he came from...he was at the National Reconnaissance Office, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, at the highest level of clearances." (Grusch is one person Puthoff references as a source for details on the alleged crash retrieval program. And as Grusch has said, most of what he (Grusch) learned was from talking to others who claimed they were firsthand folks who worked IN the Legacy program. Grusch sent some of those folks to the Inspector General so they could share what they know. So, with this specific information (minus whatever photos or reports Grusch saw), Grusch is a second hand witness and Puthoff is a third hand "witness." Puthoff: "[Grusch] interviewed, as he claimed in his statement before Congress, over 40 individuals over a four-year period, and all this data was collected together, and it seems like there is that crash retrieval program." (Even Hal uses the word "claimed" with Grusch, and he also uses words that tell us (unless you're going to accuse him of lying) that he has NOT been read into any of those programs. "Seems like there is that crash retrieval program." SEEMS.) Puthoff: "So although I can't say that I personally have been absolutely briefed on the crash retrieval program..." (Pretty important sentence right there. He has heard things from folks (like the late Jim Ryder of Lockheed?) who claimed to have worked in that program, but he hasn't officially been read in or had to sign any NDAs, so he can speak about some of it. See my post from yesterday where Grusch says he's lucky he never signed an NDA or he would have had to keep his mouth shut.) Puthoff: "...I've interacted with people like Grusch and many others whose...I just simply can't say I'm not hearing the truth. So, I would put my stamp on the idea that there is such a program." (He's making a judgment on what he has been told. Obviously, I can't 100% rule out that Puthoff hasn't had SOME access to some of this information, and maybe he's seen the same photos that Grusch and Davis have referenced, and Bigelow has hinted at in one of his interviews with George Knapp. But I don't believe Puthoff is on the very inside and just pretending that he's not. We still have yet to hear from someone who worked in those programs, hands on. And yes, I know Puthoff seemed confused when Gerb asked him about the Legacy program being shut down and the timing related to that. I hope The Good Trouble Show with Matt Ford asks Eric Davis about that today. Play the clip of it for Eric. And I also know that sometimes, based on Puthoff's words, it seems like he may be a firsthand witness, but I think that's him just being casual with his words. This interview from 2025 makes it pretty clear how he learned all of this information, or alleged information. My Opinion: Dr. Hal Puthoff has never been on the inside of any UFO-related Legacy program and he is NOT a gatekeeper.)](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2073806696078815538/amplify_video_thumb/2073804274254176256/img/lY8XEYm1uSZ45Ik6.jpg)
!["There was some pretty intense stuff about lifeforms, what they were doing." ~TB 💥 If Trump Waives Eric Davis' NDAs, Is This Some of What We Can Expect to Hear? 💥 (I may not be first with these clips but I try to include info. that you won't get anywhere else.) If that information about lifeforms, and what they were doing, was accurate, it's the type of information the world deserves to know. Was it Dr. Eric Davis who briefed him/them on that? I have a sneaking suspicion that it was, and I have NOT asked Davis about this.) "All these rumors that you hear...just the wild, crazy stuff, some of that stuff now I'm being briefed on and people are telling me...actually has occurred." ~TB ~ Sean Hannity 🇺🇸: "If I knew what you knew, I would not be able to sleep at night." Rep. Tim Burchett Press Office (TB): "Yeah, I was briefed in a situation, and they got into some pretty intense stuff." Hannity: "Can I ask who briefed you?" Burchett: "You can ask but I can't tell." (Again: My Guess: Dr. Eric Davis. I could be wrong, but it makes a lot of sense to me. Here's why... This is a message from Davis to me, from January... Why Won't Davis Share What He Know with Congress? Davis: "I already shared my information in a Pentagon SCIF with the SASC staff in Oct. 2019 and in a controlled access conference room in a Senate office building with the SSCI staff in Oct. 2019 and at a defense company’s controlled access room in June 2021. "Then I shared it with Rep. Anna Paulina Luna's committee in a House of Representatives office building SCIF last May. (Burchett is part of that committee, and that's one reason why I feel like Davis is the one Burchett is referring to when he says someone briefed him on some intense stuff.) Davis: "So the 'Why won’t he?' has already been answered." Murgia: "So what changes if a President waives your NDAs?" Davis: "If the POTUS were to waive my NDAs, I could share everything I know with the public." (PUBLIC!) ~~~ Hannity: "Have you ever told Donald Trump about all the obstacles they're throwing in your face?" Burchett: "No, I haven't. As a matter of fact, I had a discussion with somebody last week. They said, you need to have lunch with [Trump]. It's very difficult to get, you know, he's, right now, of course, things going on all over the world." Hannity: "But you're also saying, on the other hand, on a need-to-know basis. And that means the President's not on a need-to-know basis? Our duly-elected president, information is being withheld from him?" Burchett: "I believe so. I was told that, even. Yeah, in the SCIF, this one time, where they asked me, where you're quoting, I mean, there was some pretty intense stuff about lifeforms, what they were doing. And different..." Hannity: "Lifeforms alive here? Lifeforms dead here?" Burchett: "Possibly. Both. Both." Hennity: "And vehicles that have been recovered here?" Burchett: "Yeah, and some that have possibly come here, and not in a crash-type setting (laughs). We had an individual that gave..." (Again, this feels like Davis was the guy briefing them. He has spoken about crashed AND landed craft, including the alleged Holloman AFB landing-and-meeting event.) Burchett: "And this was interesting about the whole thing was because, there's all the folks in there, and there's different groups of people, and Rep. Eric Burlison's a dear friend of mine. Because in the beginning, he was a big skeptic (According to Burlison, he still IS a skeptic. ~Joe), you know? And I asked him to join us in some of this stuff because I needed somebody that just wasn't like me, that just had been..." Hannity: "Skepticism's healthy." Burlison: "It's very healthy. I mean, you know...but a lot of people that were skeptics. But we were in this one meeting in a secure environment, and a member came in who is not really friendly to the cause. And really was a disrupter and started asking questions. And the person who was briefing us named names, dates, times, places, events, people." (That sounds exactly like the meticulous, and detail-orientated, Dr. Eric Davis. 😎 ) Burchett: "Because I'd asked a question about Jimmy Carter. There was talk, I just threw it out there, that Carter... I didn't like his politics, but I don't question his faith." (Sad that Burchett even feels the need to mention Carter's politics.) Burchett: "And they said that [Carter] was briefed at one time and became physically upset with the information that he was given." Hannity: "Of course he did." (This seemed like snide remark from Hannity, as in, Carter wasn't a real man and he couldn't handle information like that without getting upset. Cheap shot, but that's Hannity.) Burchett: "Yeah, but he had actually seen a UFO, it's a documented thing. And this person that was briefing us gave the date of that meeting and he gave the receipts. He said, 'You can go to the Carter library,' and he gave the date. and said... And there was, I think four people in the meeting (with Carter), and they listed three of them, and one of them, they weren't sure who it was. So it was probably, you know, CIA or something. And it ended up upsetting [Carter] so much that they pretty much had to clear his calendar for a while. But what is that?" (Again, that sounds like a Davis briefing.) Burchett: "And the thing is, everything that I've...all these rumors that you hear in the movies, in the books and the magazines that I read growing up, just the wild, crazy stuff, some of that stuff now I'm being briefed on and people are telling me that this is actually has occurred. And that, to me, is, I wonder, is this stuff being planted? Is it being pushed out, so that we gradually get a hold of it?" (Hopefully, we get to hear what Burchett and the others heard so we can judge the veracity of it and see if we can somehow confirm any of it.)](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2072187421534630291/amplify_video_thumb/2072165532250566656/img/E8fKEAGfEsjiSLXF.jpg)
![🔥🛸 "The startling thing is, is he's [the late Jim Ryder at Lockheed] revealing that he was one of the engineers that worked on the crash retrieval program with four other individuals." ~Eric Davis 🛸🔥 During AAWSAP, a senior VP at Lockheed (this is the late Jim Ryder) briefed Hal Puthoff, Colm Kelleher and Robert Bigelow, in a SCIF, about the crash retrieval program and that he (Ryder) had worked on for 20 years with four other people. In later interactions, he told Davis the same thing. They were all briefed up to the TS-SCI level but when they had more detailed questions, Ryder couldn't answer them because, "that's now rising up to the level of what's called the Waived Unacknowledged Special Access Program, which is the security cover that was provided for ALL of the crash retrieval programs that were going on since...probably that Italian crash of 1933 that had gotten recovered by the U.S. Army during its invasion of Italy in 1944, and transferred back to Wright Army Airfield that year. "This was kind of startling because now it's like, okay we're actually talking to somebody (Ryder) who's at a senior executive level in a major aerospace defense corporation that's pretty huge, and it's actually the largest in the world. And, of course, this is all in classified settings, so we know this is all legitimate. The only problem is we couldn't get further because we needed to get Waived Unacknowledged SAP clearances, and, unfortunately, I don't know what was going on in the background with that. I do know that Harry Reid and Jim Lacatksi attempted to get that kind of security clearances for all of us and Harry Reid failed because the Deputy Secretary of Defense during that period...William Lynn in the Obama administration. So [Lynn] turned down Harry Reid's request."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2011941937885167781/amplify_video_thumb/2011940205515980803/img/eamH6KJsXi1cfnT_.jpg)
![👽 "I can say to you guys that there are a minimum of four different alien species. ~Dr. Eric Davis 👽 "The credibility of that ranges on the spectrum from no credibility to high credibility. The high credibility is the classified part." ~Davis (Impossible to judge unless we get to see that evidence. And the follow-up should be about the photos he's allegedly seen of NHI bodies and craft. Is that part of the reason he believes there are four?) Dr. Eric Davis: "Okay, so [people] hear me say these things on podcasts or at these big forums. 'Oh my god, he's revealing classified information! Why isn't he getting arrested and charged and going to prison!" And all that stuff. And no, it's because I've been trained on the process, I know what the criteria and the guardrails are, so I know what I can say. "I can say to you guys that there are a minimum of four different alien species, and they are known from the public domain, and in the classified world. The credibility of that ranges on the spectrum from no credibility to high credibility. The high credibility is the classified part. "And in the high credibility, not on the far end of it, but there are credible witnesses who have been corroborated by multiple other witnesses or had other means of corroborating their account of an encounter with one of these four species. So, there's some high credibility for witness accounts, and there's medium, low, and none. And there's a minimum of four."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2073881271777026136/amplify_video_thumb/2073879265414983680/img/saQHGHmvfqWJTRKN.jpg)
![CNN’s Kristen Holmes: “I just want to point out one thing before we get into the power and influential person that Charlie Kirk was..not just a political activist. He was also a father and a husband. And you have to remember something when you talk about Donald Trump's campaign and the team that got him elected, it was a very small, very tight knit group of people. It was loyalists, people who were gathered around Donald Trump working in and out every day. And Charlie Kirk was part of that movement. So, when you're talking to these White House advisers and staffers and friends of the President, it's not just them looking at the death of an icon and a movement leader, as we've heard, it's also them looking at the death of a very close friend and somebody they spent an enormous amount of time with...[T]hat's why you're seeing such a sadness and a disbelief from so many people close to the President. And when it comes to talking strictly about his influence and his power within Washington, I mean, one of the things to keep in mind here is that this is somebody who had a direct line to President Trump who could voice his objections to President Trump at times, he could voice what he thought was important and not being covered enough by the administration. He spoke to many, if not all, of the cabinet secretaries directly. He had a finger on the pulse of the MAGA movement, even more so than some people who are here in Washington who got government positions. If you look at the crowd that had gathered around Kirk, that was just one example of the kind of crowds that Kirk would draw. He was truly a movement leader, as we've heard. He would bring thousands and thousands of people together, and that was why he was so critical beyond just the personal to the campaign to President Trump...So, there are a lot of different levels of all of this. The influence, the power, the — the connection to the base, but also the family and the relationships that Charlie Kirk had built with all of the Trumps. We have seen the children responding each individually about their relationships with Charlie Kirk saying to pray for him and his family.”](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1965959696415633604/amplify_video_thumb/1965959607785791488/img/12kM8n4wOm8kDLgk.jpg)
![👽 Did Grusch See Footage of Live Aliens? 👽 "Grusch has seen evidence that will leave you slack-jawed when you hear it." ~JF 😶 What Left Congress Speechless, and Staffers with Their Eyes Popping Out of Their Heads? 😱 ~ "Examine biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence." ~Burlison Proposed Legislation (I'm gonna break all of this down and give you my speculation on what left Fox with his jaw on the floor, members of Congress speechless, and their senior staffers with their eyes popping out of their heads.) ~ @jamescfox: " Probably about two weeks ago (late May), we were having meetings on The Hill with members of Congress. We brought in a PR firm, 42 West, and we were having a meeting with staff members, bipartisan. We had Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, Rep. Tim Burchett Press Office, Rep. Eric Burlison. We had a representative from Congressman Jared Moskowitz's office. We had a number of Chiefs of Staff (top staffer for a specific member of Congress), like, present." (Don't really know why they needed a public relations firm in attendance, but if it helps them with advice on how to handle this, so be it. Just know: it appears like members of that PR firm know what Grusch said, and we don't.) Fox: "And, I can't reveal what was said. I thought it was gonna be said at the actual event that we had yesterday (June 9th) in DC with Mr. Grusch." (Don't be mad at Fox for keeping his word to Grusch and not sharing what was said in that private meeting. But I don't blame people for being annoyed that Grusch shared this information six or so weeks ago and we still don't know what he said in that room.) Fox: "Then, what Mr. Grusch revealed to all of us, what he had seen with his own eyes, left the room speechless. It drew the oxygen out of the room. I looked at everybody in that room, and their eyeballs were popping out. My jaw was on the floor. Like, I simply couldn't believe what he'd seen with his own eyes. Like, I can't wait for it to come out. "So I asked Mr. Grusch today, 'Can I talk about what I heard?' And he's like, 'No, but I will be addressing it very soon.'" (Like I said, it's almost been one month now (June 12) since Fox said this, so what does "very soon" mean? Was Grusch supposed to share this information on CNN with Jake Tapper last week but it didn't happen because that interview was, reportedly (Fox told us), postponed?) Fox: "So that's where we stand right now. But I can tell you, Mr. Grusch has seen evidence that will leave you slack-jawed when you hear it. It's coming, it's coming." (We heard that Gruch's Op/Ed was coming soon and that was 2.5 years ago. It never happened. So, I don't blame people for being skeptical about this. If Grusch hasn't told us by this time next week, I propose someone (a member of Congress) who was in that room just tell us. That's fair, right? Total transparency from our elected representatives?) ~ Fox: "Mr. Grusch is legitimately concerned about his personal safety. He's coming out with it, I promise you, this is coming out. He assured me today that he will address this issue to the general public very soon, in the near future." (I'm glad Grusch told a room full of people what he saw, as that may offer him some protection from people who allegedly want him to stop talking.) Fox: "So I can't speak to what he's gonna say, but I'm just telling you from what I heard out of his mouth, sitting in an office of a member of Congress? And everybody (Fox laughs) in the room, you could have heard a pin drop." Clayton Morris: "Could you give us a hint? Is it related to craft? Can you maybe dance around it a little bit? I want to say, 'You're killing me, Smalls (laughs).'" Fox: "Yeah, so if you can imagine, if you know about 'Moment of Contact,' that involves captured non-human intelligent beings. Think about that for a minute. Think about that case. I heard it out of his mouth, and I can tell you, I was in the room. And I looked around the room, and I'm looking at these young, like, guys in their 20s, you know, the staff guys? And their eyeballs were popping out of their head. My jaw was on the floor. I couldn't believe it." (There's a reason why I included that quote (living or deceased non-human intelligence) from the new Burlison/Carson/Crane legislation at the top of this tweet: At the very least, I'm confident Grusch told them that he saw photos of dead non-human beings. Bodies. But what about evidence of LIVING non-humans, aka aliens of unknown origin? More on that at the end. Fox: "My jaw was on the floor. I couldn't believe it." (Would Grusch saying he saw photos of craft and dead non-humans have that type of effect on Fox? Seems like that's something he would have expected to hear.) ~ Fox: "It was an [out of] body experience when I heard that. But I can tell you...the impression I got, was that he felt a little more protected to talk about this because of President Trump's directive to release the files, and that this... Again, this is my speculation, okay? This is not what Mr. Grusch said. "I got the impression that he was much more relaxed - even though he was still not fully relaxed - because of President Trump's directive to release these files. And that it was something that he had seen during his official investigations just within the last few years." (Imagine how much more relaxed Grusch (and others) would feel if we had an actual Executive Order from Trump with strong language to protect whistleblowers?) Fox: "And that it...I think it had an extremely profound impact on his life when he saw this evidence that he described. Again I'm leaving it right there. I've been talking with Republicans, and they said if Joe Rogan tweets about this, that the President will hear it, And I can't overstate the significance of that." (Why hasn't Rogan already done that? No excuse. Fox has been on Rogan and I'm sure he has Joe's contact information. Make it happen.) Fox: "We need people. We're not asking for money, we're not asking to get on your show, we're just asking, Mr. President, please, as many people as possible, release the files that should not be associated with national security. And that's the alien or non-human sentient beings. That's it." ~~~ (I'm going to speculate on what Grusch may have said in that room.) Fox: "I think it had an extremely profound impact on [Grusch's] life when he saw this evidence that he described." (Grusch has said he started out as a skeptic when he started looking into this. If he was shown what he felt were photos of non-human bodies, I think that might be enough to have an, "extremely profound impact on his life." Depending on exactly what those photos showed, of course.) In "Moment of Contact," Eric Davis had this exchange with Fox: @jamescfox: "Put me wherever you were when you got to see photographs of crash retrieval and documents. What did that feel like?" Dr. Eric Davis: "That was startling, when I actually see recorded evidence with my own eyes. Photographs, reports, and whatnot. That took it to a higher level, that kicked it up several notches of reality. And that made it very clear that this reality is very hard, very physical, very real. "And this type of evidence, you can't come by in the open literature, it's not public, it's classified. And I can't discuss what it was, but I can tell you, yeah, it's a crash retrieval, there's a craft, and there's alien bodies. That's all I can say about it." Fox: "You swear on your life that you saw those pictures?" Davis: "Oh, I swear on my life, and everybody's...my children's life, so (laughs). Yeah, I'm absolutely telling you the truth. I saw the evidence, and it's stark! I can't tell you the exact number, because it's classified, but I'll just say, there's a few dozen total retrievals." Full exchange with video... ~~~ As I said in my other post, I think Davis, Semivan, Puthoff, Kelleher, Grusch, Lacatski, Stratton, aka The AAWSAP Gang (I just made that up), may have seen the same evidence of photos and reports. Has Grusch seen more than that? I don't know. In 2025, Davis said this... Burlison: "Can you comment on whatever species have been piloting these craft? Are they largish? Are they multiple species? What was their size, and how many are usually on a craft?" Davis: "They're typically the multiple species people are familiar with. The Greys, the Nordics. People have talked about Reptilians and Insectoids. It's not that they're Reptilian or Insectoid, it's that they resemble, to the participant, a reptile, or insect type. A humanoid, because they have this...a hand, and four limbs, and a torso, so..." Burlison: "Large? Small?" Davis: "Human size, human scale." Burlison: "How many are in a crew?" Davis: "Well, the group, well, the Greys I'm familiar with from investigating the crash at Corona, which is misnamed the crash at Roswell. It's not the crash at Roswell, it's the crash at Corona, New Mexico. Those were Greys, those were four-foot tall. And the Nordics are typically human-sized, probably...I've heard five, six-feet tall. And same with the people who mislabel Reptilian and Insectoid. They're roughly that height, too. I haven't heard anything about anything seven or eight feet or nine-foot tall, of that nature." Full post with video... ~ And this past Sunday, Davis said this to The Good Trouble Show with Matt Ford... Davis: "I can say to you guys that there are a minimum of four different alien species. The credibility of that ranges on the spectrum from no credibility to high credibility. The high credibility is the classified part." Full post: My Final Thoughts (Based on everything Davis has shared, it seems he saw classified photos of what appeared to him to be non-human craft and photos that appeared to show dead non-humans (bodies) with enough detail that he could see that some resembled reptiles and others resembled insects. Were there also photos of Greys and beings that looked human (Nordic)? I don't know. These images of non-humans would fall into what Davis deemed "high credibility" and "the classified part.") Davis: "I saw the evidence, and it's stark!" (If Davis saw close-up photos that showed details of beings that looked like Reptilians and Mantids, I'd say that qualifies as stark!) Back to what Fox said... Fox: "Then, what Mr. Grusch revealed to all of us, what he had seen with his own eyes, left the room speechless. It drew the oxygen out of the room. I looked at everybody in that room, and their eyeballs were popping out. My jaw was on the floor. Like, I simply couldn't believe what he'd seen with his own eyes." (I think what caused that reaction was Grusch describing seeing close-up photos of different types of non-human beings. Maybe.) However, Fox also said this: "...if you can imagine, if you know about 'Moment of Contact,' that involves captured non-human intelligent beings (This is the Varginha, Brazil case. ~Joe). Think about that for a minute. Think about that case. I heard it out of his mouth, and I can tell you, I was in the room." (The biggest CLAIM in that film and from that case is that a live, non-human being was captured and that Dr. Italo saw video of it, and then stood next to it for a few minutes when it was in the hospital, in a bed, being cared for by another doctor. Did Grusch say he saw evidence (photos or videos) of a live being that appeared to be non-human? Joe Rogan asked him that in his November 2023 interview... Grusch: "Once you realize the phenomenon's real, then you realize we've recovered artifacts and, you know, biologics or, you know, dead pilots, if you will, even though it's kind of creepy to think about in your world view. You don't think they were ever, you know, alive sometimes, too, right? And I'll leave it at that, only because, you know, that is something the President and his cabinet need to disclose this in a controlled manner." (He was either hinting that he's seen them alive or that them being alive and on this planet is a huge deal and not his responsibility to announce. I think it's the latter.) Rogan: "Are there discussions of interactions with live beings?" Grusch: "Uhh, there was some water-cooler talk about that kind of thing." Rogan: "But that's it?" Grusch: "But, you know, I don't even wanna get into it because it's like, uh, there was some details provided to me but it's like, it's secondary and I don't know if that's like, the telephone game and I don't know if it was hyperbolized in any way...um, you know, in the break room, so to speak. So I just... I'm so anal about making sure what I say is accurate...I don't, you know, I don't know." (Based on what he said there, it seems like he has NOT seen any evidence of live beings. If he now comes out and says that he has, it will seem like a flip flop. So, I'm gonna go with Grusch said he saw photos of non-human bodies and they were of the different types/species that Dr. Eric Davis referenced. One more flashback to what Davis said in that public, congressional briefing in May of 2025.) Davis: "It's not that they're Reptilian or Insectoid, it's that they resemble, to the participant, a reptile, or insect type." (That sounds like someone who has seen exactly what they look like, via photos.) Final point... "Examine biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence." ~Burlison Proposed Legislation (That language was in the original UAPD Disclosure Act co-sponsored by Senators Schumer and Rounds, and four other senators. Why put that language in there if you haven't heard credible reports of living or deceased (bodies) non-human intelligence? Are there stories of living, non-humans on this planet? Yes, and I'll leave you with one of them.) ) (Just to make it clear: I think Grusch will say that he saw clear photos of different types of non-human bodies and some looked like reptiles and others looked like insects. It would be amazing to hear Grusch say he saw video or film of living beings, but I don't expect that. However...this still bothers me... Would Grusch describing seeing photos of craft and different kinds of dead aliens leave veteran-of-the-UFO-field, James Fox, with his jaw on the floor? I guess we're gonna see. And hopefully soon.)](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2075447649453691237/amplify_video_thumb/2075447438866006017/img/nXEwcYZHCI2fyrrG.jpg)