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Ontologies, Evals & Deployed Intelligence: Building Real AI Agents - Mitchell Troyanovsky, co-founder of Basis 0:04: Intro /Meet Mitch Troyanovsky 2:20: What is an AI Agent, actually? 4:07: The Gap Between LLMs and Embodied Intelligence 5:25: Why Ontology is the Missing Piece of Agent Design 8:10: Evals, Evals, Evals...

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